SIGNS & PORTENTS - Dr. Who S2 Spoilers
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rabid1stAll the way to the finale, Doomsday!
I couldn't sleep last night. I was heartbroken, more so than seems possible over a fictional event. But more than that I was angry. I felt cheated. We didn't even get a true kiss. We didn't get closure. Or a declaration of the love everyone knew was there and eternal. What the hell kind of ending was that? I ranted...through the night. I tossed and turned and thumped my pillow into odd shapes. Then my muse started drinking (metaphorically...I only allow her metaphoric alcohol)...and spinning tales.
This couldn't be the end she told me...not because it sucked...but because...it couldn't be the end for these two characters. Which when I thought about it for a minute...turned out to be true. Let's look at the facts.
1) He's the Doctor. Mickey and Pete and Jake and Rose all tell us in this episode that he can do anything. As if we didn't know that already. ;->
2) Mickey also points out that just because the Doctor says "Nobody can cross a dimensional barrier" doesn't mean that "Nobody can." Lots of things the Doctor says are impossible are possible once he thinks them through.
3) Rose is Rose. She's not a shop girl. She's been a god. She's not about to go back to being ordinary. She' working at Torchwood. Where we already know they have loads of alien technology...enough to open up the door between worlds...not once but a thousand times.
4) Jackie and Pete act as the foils for Rose and the Doctor in this. The Doctor knows about love now. He knows what a man will do for his beloved and he uses that to manipulate the reunion that he knows Rose craves. There are tons of mirroring moments, like when both the Doctor and Pete put the chains around the necks of their respective Tyler women. How when the Doctor was screaming Rose's name as she slipped toward Hell...Pete was the one to save her. How...when Jackie tells Pete that there was never anyone else...Mickey rolls his eyes and smirks (because, as we know, there were loads of other people) but the Doctor looks at Rose...because he understands how there can be lots of people...and yet, no one else. It's been 20 years for Jackie...he's not the man she remembers...but they are still in love.
5) Repeatedly Rose and the Doctor have told us that they won't be separated. In the Satan Pit, the Doctor faced with certain death, no route of escape and only a few minutes of oxygen says, "Oh, I'll get back, Rose is up there." In Idiot's Lantern he says, "I'm coming" when she is trapped in the telly and also that "No power on earth" will stop him. When the Doctor send Rose to Earth for a happy life...she gets back to him...when he tries to send her to the other dimension...she gets back to him. Belief the Doctor says is all he needs to work miracles. He believes in Rose. And Rose believes that "They keep trying to separate us but they never, ever will." When he is threatened by the Dalek God she takes the time vortex into her body and rescues him. When a staggeringly powerful alien makes him over into a drawing...she uses her love and the love and belief of others to save him. They put the devil in his place, together.
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flavoured just reminded me, they are also alike now, the Doctor and Rose. Both alone. Both defenders of the Earth. Both "the stuff of legends." Both in love. Both determined not to harm the worlds they live in...and yet...equally...able to laugh at the idea of shattering two dimensions to be together. Look at how they are when they are clinging for their lives. Look at how they both face down the Daleks. Look at the way they both talk about "ripping through" the void/barrier. The way he puts his glasses on her. The way they both lean into the wall and their fingertips strain to reach through time and space and the void. If it would be hard to imagine some problem in the universe being more than the Doctor can handle...imagine one that could flummox both him AND Rose...forever. Not bloody likely.
7) The Doctor didn't get to tell her how he feels. It was killing him. It would be admitting defeat to be defeated that way. And the Doctor never admits defeat. He burned up a sun to say a proper goodbye. And that was when he could still delude himself into thinking she and Mickey would be living the happy ever after. Now he knows that won't happen. We know it won't happen...because of the three people together holding hands behind Rose while she weeps and clings to the wall. Because Rose is sleeping alone when she knows Mickey loves her. Rose is the outsider. This is her family together and she's happy about that...but she's looking for a way back to her Doctor...you can bet on it.
Rae
I couldn't sleep last night. I was heartbroken, more so than seems possible over a fictional event. But more than that I was angry. I felt cheated. We didn't even get a true kiss. We didn't get closure. Or a declaration of the love everyone knew was there and eternal. What the hell kind of ending was that? I ranted...through the night. I tossed and turned and thumped my pillow into odd shapes. Then my muse started drinking (metaphorically...I only allow her metaphoric alcohol)...and spinning tales.
This couldn't be the end she told me...not because it sucked...but because...it couldn't be the end for these two characters. Which when I thought about it for a minute...turned out to be true. Let's look at the facts.
1) He's the Doctor. Mickey and Pete and Jake and Rose all tell us in this episode that he can do anything. As if we didn't know that already. ;->
2) Mickey also points out that just because the Doctor says "Nobody can cross a dimensional barrier" doesn't mean that "Nobody can." Lots of things the Doctor says are impossible are possible once he thinks them through.
3) Rose is Rose. She's not a shop girl. She's been a god. She's not about to go back to being ordinary. She' working at Torchwood. Where we already know they have loads of alien technology...enough to open up the door between worlds...not once but a thousand times.
4) Jackie and Pete act as the foils for Rose and the Doctor in this. The Doctor knows about love now. He knows what a man will do for his beloved and he uses that to manipulate the reunion that he knows Rose craves. There are tons of mirroring moments, like when both the Doctor and Pete put the chains around the necks of their respective Tyler women. How when the Doctor was screaming Rose's name as she slipped toward Hell...Pete was the one to save her. How...when Jackie tells Pete that there was never anyone else...Mickey rolls his eyes and smirks (because, as we know, there were loads of other people) but the Doctor looks at Rose...because he understands how there can be lots of people...and yet, no one else. It's been 20 years for Jackie...he's not the man she remembers...but they are still in love.
5) Repeatedly Rose and the Doctor have told us that they won't be separated. In the Satan Pit, the Doctor faced with certain death, no route of escape and only a few minutes of oxygen says, "Oh, I'll get back, Rose is up there." In Idiot's Lantern he says, "I'm coming" when she is trapped in the telly and also that "No power on earth" will stop him. When the Doctor send Rose to Earth for a happy life...she gets back to him...when he tries to send her to the other dimension...she gets back to him. Belief the Doctor says is all he needs to work miracles. He believes in Rose. And Rose believes that "They keep trying to separate us but they never, ever will." When he is threatened by the Dalek God she takes the time vortex into her body and rescues him. When a staggeringly powerful alien makes him over into a drawing...she uses her love and the love and belief of others to save him. They put the devil in his place, together.
6) As
flavoured just reminded me, they are also alike now, the Doctor and Rose. Both alone. Both defenders of the Earth. Both "the stuff of legends." Both in love. Both determined not to harm the worlds they live in...and yet...equally...able to laugh at the idea of shattering two dimensions to be together. Look at how they are when they are clinging for their lives. Look at how they both face down the Daleks. Look at the way they both talk about "ripping through" the void/barrier. The way he puts his glasses on her. The way they both lean into the wall and their fingertips strain to reach through time and space and the void. If it would be hard to imagine some problem in the universe being more than the Doctor can handle...imagine one that could flummox both him AND Rose...forever. Not bloody likely.7) The Doctor didn't get to tell her how he feels. It was killing him. It would be admitting defeat to be defeated that way. And the Doctor never admits defeat. He burned up a sun to say a proper goodbye. And that was when he could still delude himself into thinking she and Mickey would be living the happy ever after. Now he knows that won't happen. We know it won't happen...because of the three people together holding hands behind Rose while she weeps and clings to the wall. Because Rose is sleeping alone when she knows Mickey loves her. Rose is the outsider. This is her family together and she's happy about that...but she's looking for a way back to her Doctor...you can bet on it.
Rae
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Re: Well...see...this is the thing...
Date: 2006-07-10 09:25 pm (UTC)I don't necessarily agree that RTD failed. I mean, does the fact that in the Harry Potter fandom, a whole bunch of Harmonians insist that H/Hr romance is canonically supported mean that JKR has failed? Now, being a (fanon) H/Hr shipper, I hate to use the D word, but... ya know, I'm gonna quote JKR again and say that RTD has dropped anvil-sized hints that the Rose/Doctor relationship is unique and special. But if there's anything I've learned from the HP fandom, if people want to believe (or not believe) something badly enough, they will find ways to fanwank it into existence.
From a storytelling standpoint...Rose should be it for the Doctor's romantic life because the show can't DEAL with the Doctor having a romantic life anyway. So barring the one-shot attractions...and those shipper moments born out of an inadvertant look or touch or backstage photo, I don't see the canon giving him another companion like Rose.
I do wonder what, in the grand scheme of the show, the point of the Rose/Doctor romance was. I just saw it as a tragic and doomed romance that couldn't last, but I love it anyway, cos I just eat stuff like that up with a spoon. From a storytelling standpoint, I also agree that I don't see much point in having the Doctor fall for every future companion after Rose. Also, I agree about the target audience... it's not like BtVS/AtS, in which Joss was aiming at a teen/adult audience, and his intentions for the story are very different. BtVS/AtS does not have the history Doctor Who has, and unlike the Doctor, Angel doesn't regenerate, so it's impossible to keep the series going beyond a finite amount of time (in this case, five years). So Joss has more leeway with romance, because he doesn't have to deal with someone resurrecting the show in the future, and when it ends, that's pretty much it for Angel's story. (I say this b/c people keep comparing us to Buffy/Angel shippers, which vaguely offends me since I am a diehard Cordy/Angel shipper).
I kind of resent the Buffy/Angel thing, too...
Date: 2006-07-11 03:05 am (UTC)The main difference between B/A and R/D is that Rose and the Doctor were exactly what they thought each other was...legendary. They were two crazy, mixed up kids who found each other. They were all about healing and mutual support. They were about sharing and loving and having a good time together. They really weren't about angst or learning bitter lessons. The moral of the R/D story isn't all love is doomed. All love ends tragically. The moral is that there is always a kernal of hope.
If anything, I think R/D show love is important even if you know you will lose it someday. Maybe death doesn't separate us forever from the ones we love. Even after someone dies...love for them can endure. After all, the Doctor knew all along that Rose would die before him...but he found the courage to embrace the idea of "forever" with her. Unlike Angel he didn't give up and leave. Even though...his lifestyle really did jeopardize Rose. He'd lost so much...it couldn't have been (didn't look) easy for him to open up emotionally. But he did it. And given ten more seconds...he would have said the words, because it really wasn't a matter of not feeling it or knowing it. As he tells us in the Satan Pit...Rose already knew...just like he knows in Doomsday.
Rae
Re: I kind of resent the Buffy/Angel thing, too...
Date: 2006-07-11 03:31 am (UTC)Anyway, my deal with that comparison was just that I have issues with comparing fandoms and making generalizations based on that, b/c there are so many variables, as you articulately described.
Re: I kind of resent the Buffy/Angel thing, too...
Date: 2006-07-11 04:02 am (UTC)There are indeed huge differences in the ships, and on the intent of the writers, and the over arching themes. I think for me the comparison I meant to draw was more in the emotional impact that a mere tv show had on my life (and the Buffy one was one of the most shocking for me personally that I'd experienced up to that time-- where you get up the next few days and you're still thinking about it kind of shock). Prior to that, was the ending of the Blake's 7 series. Another stand out for me was the end of Babylon 5's third season ("Z'ha'dum"). "Doomsday", I must say, ranks way up there with all of these.
No...that's okay...I usually resent lightly
Date: 2006-07-11 11:29 am (UTC)The thing I hope is the same with Rose/Doctor and Buffy/Angel is the intense loyalty of the fanbase to the couple. As I was arguing for her as the OTP with him I thought...jeepers, I sound like a Buffy/Angel fan...unable to go on loving the show once they wrote out my pairing...even though it was obvious all along that they WOULD be writing out my pairing someday.
But, as I said, I don't think that it is as easy for me to accept because I do think the Doctor and Rose were not "dooomed" as a couple. I think they could have been perfectly happy with each other throughout her entire life. And, as someone mentioned, since she dealt with a regeneration and it strengthened rather than lessened their bond...maybe they could have been perfectly happy through HIS entire life.
Also...while I love the Doctor as "last of the Time Lords"...his suffering...his iconic status. I don't know that, given the history of the show is about how things can seem impossible and yet turn out to be possible afterall, that the Doctor will be forever doomed to wander alone through the universe. Truthfully, I think this is what the Face of Boe wanted to tell him. Because when you think about it...that little speech in New Earth is so odd...that the Face of Boe was seeking "someoone like him...a lonely God...a wanderer without a home." And yet...the very idea that there is "someone like you"...means you are not alone.
Rae
Another off topic question...
Date: 2006-07-14 03:36 pm (UTC)Have there always been books for DW? Even from the first doctor? And did they continue while the show was off the air? And are they BBC writers who author them or just fans who submit stories? Like you mentioned a series that kind of had a male/male dynamic. Was that an authorized series? Do different publishers publish these books? And are all the different series out at the same time? And are the audios just like books on tape or separate stories?
Whew that was a lot of questions. I find DW fascinating because in the US it would never be considered a family show. It would be suitable for teens and up. This is a show that has activity books, magazines, annuals, toys, stickers books, audios, regular books, a cartoon etc. and still has a huge adult audience. That just doesn't really happen here. So it is very interesting to me. :)
There have always been DW books
Date: 2006-07-14 04:22 pm (UTC)www.wikipedia.org
And put in Time Lord as your search. Then just follow all of their Doctor links. The Eighth Doctor (the one right before Chris obviously) has lots of non-canon history in book form because he only had a single movie that is canon...and even parts of it are in question because he does things and says things that are very un-Doctorish.
I have read a few of the books...but I can't say I enjoyed them. Like the books written for Buffy, I largely find them unsatisfying...by which I mean, only marginally in character and generally not challenging as to plot. Television tie-in books, as far as I can tell, are written by cookie-cutter method and will never address canon issues or involve real character devlopment because things change too quickly in TV and the books were usually written historically.
Rae
Re: There have always been DW books
Date: 2006-07-14 05:22 pm (UTC)Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-26 11:08 am (UTC)Echoing what Rabid said, wikipedia is a fabulous source of Who info, though I disagree somewhat with Rabid on the quality of the books (which is admittedly hugely variable). Another excellent source of information and reviews of the books and CDs is Outpost Gallifrey (http://www.gallifreyone.com/reviews.php).
Originally Who books were just novelizations of the actual episodes (these are mostly referred to as the Target novelizations), and it seems that most of the original series has been novelized, from the 1st Doctor on.
After Doctor Who went off the air in 1989, Virgin Books got a license for original Who novels that picked up where the series left off with the 7th Doctor and Ace and are referred to as the New Adventures (NAs for short). Virgin also started up original novels featuring past incarnations of the Doctor called Missing Adventures (MAs). Though the NAs and the MAs were highly variable in their quality, in general, they are far superior to most TV tie-in novels. My favorite authors were Paul Cornell (who went on to script "Father's Day"), Kate Orman (and who you might recognize as one of the moderators from
After the 1996 Who TV movie, BBC took back the book license from Virgin and started issuing new books featuring the 8th Doctor, as well as new "missing adventures" featuring past Doctors. I'm still in the process of reading the BBC 8th Doctor books but haven't gotten too far yet. Many of them (as well as the NAs) are long out of print and are actually pretty hard to find. From the BBC line of books I still love Kate Orman's work (and her sometimes co-writer/husband Jon Blum-- "Vampire Science" and "Seeing I" are excellent 8th Doctor stories), as well as Paul Leonard ("Genocide" and "The Touring Test" were very good) and Lawrence Miles ("Alien Bodies" was awesome).
With the revival of the new series, BBC is now doing 9/10 Doctor original novels targeted at young adults. Both the Virgin and older BBC books were most definitely targeted at an adult audience.
As for the Big Finish CDs, they are original audio adventures (in effect radio plays complete with actors and cool sound effects) featuring both the 8th Doctor as well as past Doctors and companions. What's cool is that they actually feature the actors that originally played the roles on the TV show (or in Paul McGann's case, the TV movie). So the 8th Doctor audio adventures feature McGann playing the Doctor (I could listen to McGann recite a phone book, he's got such a lovely voice). In general the actors do a very good job and McGann is fantastically good-- though the stories and scripts vary quite a bit in quality. Rob Shearman (who scripted "Dalek") and Mark Gatiss have both scripted audio adventures. David Tennant has participated in several Big Finish audio productions, both Who and non-Who stories. In one, Exile (http://www.bigfinish.com/drwho_unbound/dwu06_exile.shtml) he plays a Time Lord who's been sent to arrest the Doctor. Talk about your crack!fic (written by Nicholas Briggs, the guy who also just happens to do the Dalek voices in the series). "Exile"'s part of Big Finish's Doctor Who Unbound series, in which the 2nd Doctor regenerates into a woman, and hides out on Earth trying to evade Gallifreyan justice.
Because there was no Who on TV for so long, we've now got what's called "book canon" (both NA and BBC, which, like the original series, is in many cases self-contradictory), and audio adventure canon, and they are different (the 8th Doctor has different companions in the books than he has in the audio adventures). (http://www.bigfinish.com/drwho_unbound/index.shtml) ()
Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-26 11:20 am (UTC)Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-26 12:12 pm (UTC)I also got to meet Paul Cornell at the same con, and he was very nice as well, if just a tad shy and a bit overwhelmed (he seemed very young at the time). He signed my copy of "Love and War", and damn it if I can't find that book anymore (I don't know if I loaned it out and never got it back or what). That irks me to this day.
It was an exciting time to be a Who fan, because the TV movie had just come out (and yes, we knew it was crap, but everyone loved Paul McGann in it, so it could have been Much Worse) and we still thought at the time the series would get revived by the Beeb. Little did we know it would take 9 more years.
Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-26 12:35 pm (UTC)Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-26 06:32 pm (UTC)Meanwhile...addressing the later point of male/male interaction in the books...or for that matter...any interaction between the Doctor and his companions...it is interesting to me to note they would do that. Certainly there is more latitude with Doctor 8...his books could be considered more canon than his movie. :hee: But I tend to go with TV Canon for my fanfic.
Rae
standing corrected on the interest level of the New and Original Adventure Who books.
Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-28 09:17 am (UTC)I have to admit, though, I'm a bit disappointed that the new line is aimed at teens and up, because that means they won't have the kind of latitude the NAs and BBC EDA books had. Those books were definitely meant for an adult audience. Because Virgin especially pushed the envelope that did lead to some criticism that the books "weren't really Doctor Who anymore". Pah! I say.
BBC books initially seemed to take a more conservative approach with the 8th Doctor books, but I'm not sure that's really true towards the end from some of the reviews I've read. I think it was
The future of the BBC EDAs (Eighth Doctor Adventures) and the PDAs (Past Doctor Adventures) is unknown at this time. The problem with continuing the EDAs is that they have their own Time War canon, which predates and diverges appreciably from the TV series. I'm not sure if RTD got the idea of the Time War from the EDAs (possibly) but then changed it to suit his own needs (I have no problem with that).
One area, though, that both Virgin and BBC Books took a pretty firm line on was no nookie for the Doctor. Now there's subtext, hints of attraction and romance, suggestive dialogue, and there's at least a couple of companions that fall for the Doctor (Sam and probably Fitz in the EDAs), as well as other characters-- but certainly no out and out shagging for the Doctor (other people, sure thing).
Paul Cornell did skirt the line in the NA "Human Nature" where the Doctor, needing a vacation from himself due to all his guilt and depression, turns himself into a human, minus his Time Lord memories (those he entrusts to his companion Bernice), and proceeds to fall in love. Cornell gets away with it because "John Smith" isn't really the Doctor (well, not with his full faculties anyway).
Someone recently pointed out to me that some of the old Doctor Who books are now online (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/) for free! They even have handy printer friendly chapters-- how cool is that?! (I linked to the free copy of "Human Nature" above :) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/human_nature/index.shtml) ()
Re: Doctor Who Books/CDs
Date: 2006-07-28 09:24 am (UTC)EDAs and Fitz Kreiner
Date: 2006-07-26 11:45 am (UTC)Forgot to mention in my previous post that the BBC 8th Doctor stories are also referred to as "EDA"s (or Eighth Doctor Adventures). The longest serving companion of the Doctor in any book series was Fitz Kreiner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitz_Kreiner).
Fitz is bit of a bum from the 1960's, a street musician, and always on the cruise for free sex with women, but despite all that, some of the BBC novelists seem to have decided that Fitz is in love with the Doctor. I've read this on some people's livejournals (http://doyle-sb4.livejournal.com/404827.html#cutid1) who've read these books, and from reviews of some of the books on Outpost Gallifrey (review for Kate Orman's novel "The Year of Intelligent Tigers" (http://www.gallifreyone.com/review.php?id=bbc8-46)). Even if Fitz isn't in love with the Doctor, there's absolutely no doubt he loves him, and is utterly loyal and devoted to him.
I guess that's really not so surprising. The Doctor is a very charismatic figure, and it does seem to be a recurring theme in these books, echoed in the current series that the Doctor engenders this kind of response from some companions-- not just Rose, but take Jack as well, who doesn't bat an eye at the insinuations of the Emperorer Dalek-- "Never doubted him, never will."
As for other m/m vibes, in Paul Leonard's "The Turing Test" (http://www.gallifreyone.com/review.php?id=bbc8-39), the Doctor meets up with Alan Turing during WWII (the famous mathematician and code breaker), and Turing (who was gay) ends up drawn to and desiring the Doctor throughout the book (the feelings however are not returned). In Orman's "The Year of Intelligent Tigers" another character in the book, Karl, falls for the Doctor. I haven't been able to find this book yet and read it, so I can't comment further on it.
I did find, though, that's there's a livejournal comm for discussing the 8th Doctor novels (EDA's), called
Re: I kind of resent the Buffy/Angel thing, too...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:03 am (UTC)I definitely got that vibe, and I agree it's quite different from BTVS. I'm a Spuffy shipper too; I wouldn't compare R/D to any of the BTVS relationships. R/D really was a positive celebration of true love, and the only factor wasn't the respective psychoses of the people involved, it was that devil time. And although his and Rose's story ends tragically, we've been told over and over again that it was worth it, that every second spent together in love was time to be treasured. I admit, although I'm an angst addict in my shows, I love the unapologetic giddiness of exploring the universe with someone you love, openly and happily. I think one of the reasons that I loved Buffy/Spike so much (and people will argue this, I'm sure) was half because they were dark and sordid and angsty, but also half because they understood each other and could have been best buds fighting evil together for the rest of Buffy's life.
More choir preaching here...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:11 am (UTC)But...yes, I do think that Spike and Buffy understood each other at a deeper level than most of JW's couples. JW liked legendary pairings but he also like to see people swallowed up by their faults. Too many TV producers go that route in my opinion...it's boring...old...predictable.
Ten/Rose was refreshing for me...simply because everytime someone said..."Oh, now she'll learn that she's not so important to him." He turned out to love her that little bit more. Sarah Jane...left behind...Rose..."No, not you." Reinette might have let him contemplate the slow path for a minute...but he bound off immediately...he was talking about buying a house with carpets and doors with Rose. Was he scared of the idea of "settling down?" Yes, he was...but he wasn't pulling away from it...from "forever"...would Rose expect him to settle down...nope..."The Doctor never will so I guess I'll just keep traveling."
They were...perfect for each other.
Rae
Re: More choir preaching here...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:20 am (UTC)That line reminds me about this nightmare I had. I was watching tv and an episode of my favorite show came on; it was filled with clocks and horses and French people. But what a nightmare! Nothing made sense, and the main character was completely opposite of what we're told to believe about him, and it didn't fit the mood, themes, or flow of the surrounding episodes, and the plot was poorly delivered and the whole dream left me feeling "god, this could have been awesome if it were handled completely and utterly differently." Thank the gods it was only a nightmare-- imagine if it had been a real episode? I shudder to think of it.
was talking about buying a house with carpets and doors with Rose. Was he scared of the idea of "settling down?" Yes, he was...but he wasn't pulling away from it...from "forever"...would Rose expect him to settle down...nope..."The Doctor never will so I guess I'll just keep traveling."
I actually found that whole conversation interesting because, really, losing the TARDIS does not mean being stranded forever. The Doctor's smart enough to build or acquire a spaceship, and even if he can't zip to quite ANYWHERE and he can't go through time, he can still spend the next 60 years showing Rose the universe. No matter where they went it'd be new to her.
AND...you are such a smart girl...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:37 am (UTC)I actually found that whole conversation interesting because, really, losing the TARDIS does not mean being stranded forever. The Doctor's smart enough to build or acquire a spaceship, and even if he can't zip to quite ANYWHERE and he can't go through time, he can still spend the next 60 years showing Rose the universe.
EXACTLY...EXACTLY...It wasn't Rose suggesting they settle down...it was HIM! He made that grand...totally illogical leap from "Find a planet, get a job" to...I'd have to settle down...buy a house. Rose was still on them living NEAR each other...him getting a mortage...then she gets it...and says..."Could be the same one." Then it makes them both feel all tingly for a second and they babble. But...just in case we missed that it was HIM...not her...she says, "Stuck with you that's not so bad" and he looks hopeful and goes, "Yeah?" and she then gives him the bright, shiny..."YES!" of a woman accepting his proposal.
Which as it turns out she was...we will be together he's saying...I will stay with you, not wander off as I could through space if not time...not such a bad life? Not such a bad life.
Rae
Re: AND...you are such a smart girl...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:51 am (UTC)While I've got your attention (and while you're riding high on fic-worthy post-finale emotions), I want to pimp you toward
You got me...that is...I've joined...
Date: 2006-07-13 04:02 am (UTC)Thanks for the invite. Appreciate it very much. And yes, I have kept the same name through X-files, Buffy, Battlestar Galactica, CSI, The West Wing and Dr. Who. You can find me everywhere.
Rae
Re: You got me...that is...I've joined...
Date: 2006-07-13 04:10 am (UTC)I'll be watching for any entries from you! If you think someone else might like it as well, go ahead and mention it. The comm is pretty new and I'm trying to get it spread across multiple fandoms; I'm actually kind of nervous about it though because I'm wary of annoying people with advertising.
Re: I kind of resent the Buffy/Angel thing, too...
Date: 2006-07-13 03:13 am (UTC)