Doctor Who Speculation--Season Five (or One)

[rabid1st]

Yes, you read that correctly. I had a thought about S5 and I know in my heart it is not what is going to happen, because...well...you all know my track record with predicting things in Doctor Who. And this would be such an interesting development...but...not going to happen...

Still...

Spoilers relative to the Doctor's new companion Amy Pond, will follow...

I've mentioned several times in the past that the one thing we really need for New Who to come full circle and into its own is to have the Doctor have his grandaughter as a traveling companion at the 50th Anniversary, which is coming up soon.

With the end of RTD's time, I had naturally assumed that there was no way for that to happen. However, in a way, there IS a way for that to happen. I thought that Moffat would avoid addressing Rose in any way. But there is a hint that he DOES address her at some point. And that made me wonder if Ten2/Rose could have children who crossed temporal or dimension boundaries.

Apparently, Amy Pond is encountered by the Doctor as a child. She wants to know if he is there to fix the crack in the wall. And she has no parents in the series. And she has a deeply loving but non-romantic relationship with the Doctor. What if...say...one of Ten2/Rose's grandchildren was sucked through all that temporal mess back in Journey's End? Tumbling like Alice into another world?

That adds some heft to where the trailer was placed...but that could be too much coincidence.

Still, what if the grandaughter I'm expecting turns out to be Amy? Lost from her own dimension? Drawn to the Doctor by that Noble Family DNA? Then...Moffat could indeed solve the problems that RTD didn't solve. Though, it would mean we must conclude that Ten2/Rose were involved as a sexual/romantic couple.

As I've hinted before, I can reconcile myself to that idea now. I have found a way to have my Doctor and let him go on alone, too. All it takes is accepting that he was indeed split in two. And I now believe that is what RTD did...simply because (and here we differ sharply in our attitudes) HE felt there was no other way to have Rose/Doctor completion. I still say it showed a sad lack of courage and imagination on his part. BUT given that IS what he went with in the canon story, I have found a way to make Rose accept Ten2. A way I hope I can one day write out as fiction and share with the rest of you. Here's hoping for the energy.

But in the meantime, it would be very cool if Amy really was the Doctor's grandaughter. Gives me a reason to watch until episode 3 at least. :grin: Of course, there are other ways to introduce a grandaughter...she could have come from Gallifrey during that brief moment while they were transcendent, she could have come from Jenny or from River Song. She couldn't have come from Donna, unless Donna has another bridegroom or we get needlessly complicated with the metacrisis. And we could save the idea of a grandaughter for a one off special at the anniversary where Moffat brings Jenny back into the Doctor's life. But none of that puts an end to the Rose/Doctor story as efficiently as Jenny being their descendent. It also works to tie up all the loose ends that RTD left for Moffat. Not that anyone involved with this show cares about loose ends! :grin:

So, my imagination is working again. Only I do hope that Matt isn't as god-awful as he appears to be in every clip I've seen of him. He's honestly not working for me at all. Though, I understand that he comes around in episode 1 and the audience was thrilled with him.

Rae
difficult to thrill :wink:

P.S. There are rumors that the BBC has already given Matt and Moffat the go-ahead for S2. This doesn't surprise me a bit. I was certain the new show would run at least two seasons because of the lag-time on development and ratings. So, even if the ratings tank the show will go on for one more season. I don't think at this moment that it will run the five. But I do imagine we will get it through the 50th Anniversary.

Comments

The Doctor's Granddaughter

[astitchintime-9.livejournal.com]

...the one thing we really need for New Who to come full circle and into its own is to have the Doctor have his grandaughter as a traveling companion at the 50th Anniversary, which is coming up soon.


I like your premise, but I have misgivings about your solution. (Sorry!)

Ten already has a "daughter" whizzing about somewhere. Her daughter would be his "Granddaughter". Voila!

I lean towards this solution only because Jenny was an RTD/Moffat creation, and both of them seem to do a great deal of ...shall we say "recycling"?...of ideas. To hear RTD tell it, he killed Jenny in the first go-round, but Moffat disgreed, so he let her live. I have always assumed that Moffat would reference her again, to bring Jenny into his new show, but how much simpler if he brings her back by way of a new character who is the The Doctor's Granddaughter!

Hope I haven't dashed your hopes. It is just spec. (And then, too, with Donna married, he could find a granddaughter there too. It was "a two-way BIOLOGICAL Meta-crisis.". I'm just saying...)

No you haven't dashed them at all

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

It is perfectly possible to have a grandaughter take over in the 50th anniverary season that is from Jenny. I thought about adding that to the above as a scenario for later. Jenny's daughter would probably appear closer to the anniversary, but could pop up here. There is also River Song who could be a child or the mother of a child.

I doubt we would have a Donna grandchild that looked like Amy unless Donna reconsidered her bridegroom. It doesn't appear that she did that...so...not Donna.

I was thinking that Rose/Ten2 would be unexpected in some ways...as the other two possiblities are more obvious...but then...they DO tend to go with the obvious.

I would actually, in the past, have been against a Ten2/Rose child as it puts an end to most hopes of a Doctor/Rose reconciliation if the child is human. However, I can see Moffat WANTING to put an end to Rose. Which is why I went with that idea.

Re: No you haven't dashed them at all

[astitchintime-9.livejournal.com]

... a Ten2/Rose child ... puts an end to most hopes of a Doctor/Rose reconciliation if the child is human. However, I can see Moffat WANTING to put an end to Rose. Which is why I went with that idea.


Ah. Logical and ...rather disheartening thought. Truthfully, I have very mixed emotions about going back again... showing a 10.2/R HEA (or worse, a NOT HEA!).

I can agree that the show's trend and tradition has been downbeat. Even Old School. To my own surprise, I discover that I'm still am an optimist, however. :shrugs: Jenny's daughter just feels like more fun, ya know? Nothing there to fix, just to enjoy.

[susanb03.livejournal.com]

Interesting as always..... Where is this trailer everyone is talking about? I lost my link to info when David quit.... Can you help????

Please?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I addressed the other options in the edit above...since someone brought them up and I had thought of them, but wasn't up to posting them the first time. Still, there are several ways to have a grandaughter without Ten2/Rose involved.

http://www.digitalspy.com/cult/s7/doctor-who/news/a209692/the-second-who-series-five-trailer.html

Thanks!

[susanb03.livejournal.com]

I'm at work so I'll probably have to save to for when I get home tomorrow.

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

I could see it. I could see the Doctor being link telepathically to TenII and living through him. So this could be why he seeks Amy out.

I don't see Jenny coming back.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

But...Jenny is one of Moffat's characters and he's already bringing back River Song and the Stone Angels. I can definitely see a return visit from Jenny on the horizon or, at the very least, a reference to her descendents. We don't know what caused Jenny to regenerate or if she can regenerate into a new form...but we do know that her species has a tremendously short life span...would the Doctor's DNA off-set that? I don't know. I don't know if Moffat is the sort of writer to think about those canon details, either.

In his OWN writing, Moffat pleased me by consistently tying up most of the loose ends he created. But his work often jarred in context of the whole story arc...River Song bothers me so very much because she was so completely inappropriate to the Doctor's mood. And also because HER version of the Doctor was offensive to me. However, I am now offended by what Ten became...so...I can see the Doctor turning into that offensive creature River describes.

Do I want to tune in and WATCH some grandstanding "lonely god" seduce poor River, knowing, as I do...that she is going to be an embarrassment that he puts away in a computer cloister at the end of her life? That's the question on my mind. I, as you point out, like hope...and to me...River Song is hopeless and sad.

Rae
who will allow, I suppose, that some future Doctor rescued her from her eternal happy hell.

[keswindhover.livejournal.com]

You are being drawn in....

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

I've always loved how Rae finds hope in the smallest of places. It's a skill one can learn to use in everyday life. It's helped me in my career.

Rae, you should change your name to "Rae of Hope". Or at least create a new blog where you continue to show people how to find hope. It's a bigger thing than you realize.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

What a very sweet thing to say! Thank you so much. I tend to think of myself as simply...wrong about everything. But I must say, I like your version of my mindset a lot better.

Rae
...of hope? Hmmm...

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Am not! I'm totally not being drawn in...except...well...it IS Doctor Who. And I have found a way to sort of like him again...in my head. However, probably, Matt and Moffat will make me not like him very quickly. I imagine the first James Bond style flirtation will do it for me.

Rae

[wickedgillie.livejournal.com]

I find myself strangely hopeful about Eleven. I don't really know why. I do think offspring will come into play whether it's via Jenny or Ten 2/Rose, and it would be interesting if Amy was that relative. Moffat has a huge weight on his shoulders both with huge RTD-and-DT sized shoes to fill AND with the anniversary coming up. Despite his wanting to go new places (what writer doesn't?) and bring forth less-archic stories, he's going to have to dip into Old Skool if he wants to keep the loyalists.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

And he's going to need to be honest about New Skool, too, I think. I'm not one of those Rose/Doctor fans that thinks Moffat hates Rose. I truly believe, at this point anyway, that he was joking about Rose being clingy and needing to be ditched. I think the joke was inappropriate and showed something of his own mindset about women...but I don't think he truly meant that he didn't like Rose.

He was quite apologetic, in my view, for misunderstanding the true nature of the Rose/Doctor relationship when he wrote Girl in the Fireplace. And I can't forget that his Nine in Empty Child was most definitely in love with Rose Tyler. I do think that, like many other people, Moffat felt that the Doctor would never get SO very serious about a companion. So, when he wrote GitF he was showing what he thought of as the Doctor's charismatic fascination...rather than throwing a spanner in the works of the Rose/Doctor romance.

I do give Moffat credit for understanding that he'd done something quite jarring. And also for being the one who insists that River Song is NOT the Doctor's Wife as RTD immediately put it. RTD seemed to be obsessed with romance and marriage...but I don't think Moffat imagines the Doctor as committed to anything but the cause of justice in the universe.

This is why I pull for Rose as the "true love"...because if she is...then she's got her place...and that place could be put firmly in the past. Then, you free the Doctor for sex, flirtation, dalliances...yet, allow that he might not being willing to risk so very much a second time. What is he going to do? Divide himself in two again?

I do think RTD mucked his potential, because he either lacked vision or courage. But I don't think Moffat needs to do much beyond acknowledging that there should never be another ROSE. And he's probably onboard for that.

So...now that I've come to grips with Ten2/Rose...I am also looking forward to Eleven. But a lot depends on how the past with Rose is viewed...and how sick I get of River Song. I wasn't a fan of that character at all.

Rae