rabid1st

I mean, seriously...A...DOR...A...BLE!

I just wanted to give him a squeeze around the middle.

Rae

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I add my happy thoughts:

David and Billie won Best Doctor and Best Companion in the Doctor Who Magazine poll. Chris Ecceleston came in third after Tom Baker. From what I understand Tom Baker has won for years. I am happy for DT, BP and CE.

Another chapter soon on the way.

It is almost Friday and I am celebrating my birthday with friends.

PS: I posted my thoughts on Billie's book in my LJ if you are interested in taking a gander.

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That's a happy thought, indeed.

:Rabid shoves a bit of welcome basket cake at you:

I went to your journal but it is friend's only...am I your friend? Would I be able to see your thoughts if I signed in (which I never, ever do) on LJ? I am a horrible LJ-Flist member...I never sign in...I seldom even glance at my FList...I just live in my own little imaginary world. Just me an my muse.

It's sad really.

But when prompted...I will go read...or give you cake...or whatever. :stabs your piece of cake with a small candle just as you are about to take a bite:

:lights candle with handy disposable lighter and sings Happy Birthday to You:

Rae

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Heee it was Tuesday and thank you very much. You are on my Flist. Maybe you have to friend me back? Not sure but I think you should be able to read since I have you friended. Now is a good time to read my thoughts. For a while I didn't have a lot good to say about fandom, but I am currently in a sea of tranquility.

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THAT CLIP! *DEAD* SQUEEEE. This assuages some of the hurt from the article I read about Tenth Doctor and Martha in bed together. *weeps*

I like eggnog lattes, but toffeenut is my CRACK.

OMG YAY NEW CHAPTERS.

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This assuages some of the hurt from the article I read about Tenth Doctor and Martha in bed together. *weeps*

Wait, what?!?!

But, Martha's supposed to be more like a sister figure. And, a lesbian. Well... She is in my head. I kind of want her to be into chicks because than RTD can just push aside all the ship stuff and just have them be fun together.

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Here it is (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=421150&in_page_id=1773), and warnings to any random passers-by, it completely spoils S2's ending.

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...it's another thing I don't want to read. I want yummy pics of David Tennant...I want to watch him be the Doctor. But they are going to put me right off watching with this Martha person. I mean...they do know she's going to be universally hated already...don't they?

Anyway...not reading...

Just saying...you could not have gotten David and Billie and a bed in the same shot without EVERYONE knowing the Doctor was shagging Rose. Let alone them being in the bed together. Don't believe me...look how hot it is between them when he's unconscious in The Christmas Invasion.

Rae
Oh...and Sylvia...do you mean it totally spoils the ending of S3? Or Doomsday?

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I'm trying really, really hard to reserve judgment, but I still love Rose too much to let go. WAAAH.

you could not have gotten David and Billie and a bed in the same shot without EVERYONE knowing the Doctor was shagging Rose.

Oh, I completely agree. And in our happy heads, they so WERE shagging. Damn it.

It spoils Doomsday. Some people are so touchy about it, I figured I'd better say.

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...about ideals. The Doctor should represent the best in us...show children what to aspire to...rather than telling them what IS...the world IS hard...but people still have honor, hope, idealism.

I'm trying really, really hard to reserve judgment, but I still love Rose too much to let go. WAAAH.

And this is my point...the Doctor should love her more than we do. If we aren't ready to let go...kids would be even less ready (how long after your childhood BFF moved away...did they still stay your BFF in your heart? Sometimes for the rest of your life)...and the Doctor...should be LESS ready than any of us.

Rae

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Well...I know the lesbian thing fell by the wayside. And I've been thinking they were going to push the relationship angle. Which...I'm not kidding...is a mistake. But might be good for Rose/Doctor shippers if he remains true to Rose during the push. I don't say pushing that angle is a mistake as a Rose/Doctor fan but as a Dr. Who fan.

Dr. Who is more fun without romantic entanglements. Because...by a good margin people who resented Rose resented her for the idea of the romance...rather than anything else. I seriously don't think they are hoping for MORE of the same with Martha. Only we pervy online people are interested in romance for the Doctor.

And really...kids...want consistancy from their adult role models. It is ashame to see the Doctor go down this route if it's true because I think it might alarm parents and disturb kids.

However, this is the first time I've heard of this bedroom scene...and I don't want to hear another word about it...but at the same time...I cast my doubt upon it. ;->

As I said it could be used to underline the LACK of sexuality. But...it would strike me that it would be hard to underline LACK of sexuality if you have David Tennant and a bed in the same shot.

Rae

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I'm not really turned off because of the Rose/Doctor ship. Rather, I'm turned off because I really really wanted Martha to be the Doctor's lesbian best friend/younger sister.

With a show like this, you can't have the Doctor jumping from girl to girl in the UST department. It'll just make him look like a total player.

Despite this rumour, I'm still really looking forward to the new companion. (For now, I'll just assume that the bedroom scene is just an exaggeration on the media's part.) I've heard rumours that she argues a lot with the Doctor, which is a nice contrast from Rose. Also, apparently Freema has a martial arts background, which could mean we get to see her kick @ss.

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To have the Doctor and Martha romantically attracted will upset people who have NO interest in the Rose/Doctor ship at all. People who didn't even care about Rose will be upset by it. People who just want something new and different will be upset, too. Only a handful of online people are hoping for a Martha/Doc affair...and I would hope that RTD knows that.

As you note...the Doctor shouldn't look like a player...no matter how a viewer feels about Rose. And there are still viewers in DEEP denial about Rose/Doctor romance. Seriously, my Aussie friend...didn't see it AT ALL...I mean, not that she didn't like it...she literally didn't NOTICE it.

Rae
who would like to see a companion who is in it for herself...gaining strength and wisdom and moving on...as so many of the companions of the past did...easily. So, yeah...let her kick some ass...and do her own thing and stay out of beds and clinches with the Doctor.

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I've been flipping around some other sites and apparently the papers neglected to include an "S". The Doctor and Martha were flirting on double beds. There's also some other stuff elsewhere that makes this all make sense. For one thing, Martha's a med student and she works in a hospital. Hospitals have beds. Many beds. Beds for tired med students. ;)

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...has confirmed it. But it may well be in the first episode when the Doctor is passing himself off as a doctor and Martha fancies him...as any red-blooded woman would, I think.

And it may YET be used to as a way to get the whole thing out in the open. Martha makes her pass. He flirts...as he is very likely to do now that Rose isn't there to be hurt (or distract him). Martha kisses him. He draws back in alarm and says, "Oh, no...it's not like that. It can never be like that."

That way the BBC agenda is spelled out, dealt with up-front..."the Doctor isn't having sex with these people he flirts with, he just likes them as friends"...but any Martha/Doctor shippers can just pretend that he was being coy about "NO!" like he was with Reinette. Even if they play it as a cooling off...they may not refer it back to Rose. They may let it stand as..."He doesn't do sex."

Rae
who could also be fanwanking the hell out of this...and is still not watching until I know how it all ends.

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Wait, what?!?!

Yeah, that's what I said!

The fuck!

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2. Not to be mean, but what a creepy kid. Is he supposed to be a child genius or something? It looks like his parents stole his soul by working him too hard at such a young age. (I've seen kids like that before. It's actually kind of sad...)

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Why are there so few interviews with Chris? He's as cute as a button-nosed teddy bear

He's my favorite Doctor (and not the first one I watched).

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Tom Baker was the first one I watched...and he totally put me OFF the show. Peter Davison was my Doctor for years. I fell in love with the show when I went back and found him as the Doctor. Pertwee is next. Then, Tom.

I think if I had seen Tom Baker early rather than later in his career, I might have liked him better than I did. But I saw him first in this horrid production...the Leisure Hive. GAG! And then Logopolis...and still...not loving him. After I saw 5...my local network went back and did every Doctor, every remaining episode in a 18 month marathon. So, I've watched them all and they all have something lovable about them.

But I completely adore David Tennant. And I so want to watch him go on...but I won't if they are playing up the romance. It actually strikes me as anti-Doctor. I think he moves on, and will still have fun and meet new people and so on...but I think he should represent our ideals...and as much as our young people are all hooking up right and left...the ideal is still fidelity and true love.

Rae

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pandora-576.livejournal.com

LOL, Tom was the first Doctor I saw, luckily it was early Tom , so he'll always have a special place in my heart. Leisure Hive and Logopolis, not the best Doctor Who. I haven't seen all of the Doctors, but I'm sure each has their own special charm :). I won't mind him moving on, IF there is a long time were he's not romantically hooking up, otherwise it's all very shallow. And the Doctor isn't shallow.

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The Doctor isn't shallow. And it is far...far too soon. See, if this was RL even. You wouldn't just lose someone you cared about and then pop right back out there. And we are all human...we don't represent.

The Doctor...he's supposed to represent. He's supposed to stand for what's good and right in the universe. He can't be shallow. He can't be fickle. I honestly thought there was a way to navigate this...to have him interact in a non-sexual, non-romantic or flirtatious way with a companion. I mean...every other Doctor managed to do it. Even Chris manages to interact with Rose on that companion level in most of the episodes.

Rae

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pandora-576.livejournal.com

He's not shallow and he shouldn't be fickle. If they have him hook up with the companion after Rose it just won't seem realistic or in character.

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swankkat.livejournal.com

1 through 4 of your list brought a smile to my face as well. I've actually been *avoiding* reading chapter 13 of Disheveled until I finish this picture from 12, I want to keep the memory of that scene fresh in my mind until I'm done. Which hopefully should be soon, since I'm skipping Love & Monsters this week.

Echoing

darksylvia's sentiments above, I read that "possible spoiler/rumor" about Doctor/Martha and felt my stomach lurch. I'm having such a hard time with the departure of Rose that even seeing promo shots from TRB is giving me the boo-hoos. I'm not sure I'm going to like having the Doctor recover so quickly - which is what RTD basically said TRB was, a big distraction so that the Doctor doesn't even have time to mourn.

Which is a real shame, in my opinion. You don't just *not* mourn the loss of someone who was that close to you, even if it is only a platonic relationship. *sigh*

To end this on a positive note: Eggnog Lattes? Good thing my secret santa gift at work was a SBUX gift card! :D

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I just think it's the wrong decision for the show...for the Doctor. I think that the idea of one fling with a companion is possible...but I know there will be division over this. Three of my Brit buddies have chimed up saying the one thing the didn't like about the New Dr. Who was the romantic angle. One of them really disliked Rose, too...but she finally came around to admitting that as long as there was no MORE romance in Dr. Who...she could accept Rose as his love.

Her exact words were something like..."Okay..okay...he can be in love...but it's over now so can we PLEASE go back to Dr. Who the kid's sci-fi show and not have me have to worry about sex?"

I was all..."Suits me, babe!" Because even though...obviously I adore Rose...and I believe RTD could even make me adore Martha...I don't want the Doctor to be...some kind of relationship ping-pong ball. I was actually amazed to learn that there was this vast online culture pairing him with every companion & The Master.

And THAT culture will live on even if he and Martha never end up in bed together. People will ship them no matter what. People ship characters who are siblings...or parent and child. Moving the Doctor on this way...there will be shipper wars...and they have NEVER been good for a show. I don't care how often you hear that they are...they NEVER have been anything but a sign of ratings going into the toilet on the horizon.

But...hey...I knew I wasn't going to be able to watch when I saw the first publicity shots. I adore David...I love Russell...I'm sure Freema is a fine actress and a peach of a person...I don't care. I love Rose too much to watch the Doctor without her there.

All of that said...it occurs to me that...the Doctor and Rose never really flirted. They were always in love it seems. Interesting...they never had that UST thing either...save that one scene in School Reunion. Lack of UST or flirting could be why we all assume they were shagging like bunnies. They seemed to have no barriers between them.

Rae

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fidesangelus.livejournal.com

Christopher is great, thanks for the link. :)

INTJ here.

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dualbunny.livejournal.com

I am the beta-suck lately, but that was a lovely clip. :D Thanks for linking to it.

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dharkapparition.livejournal.com

Thank You for sharing that smile. *runs about the room squealing* I loved the interview. Both of them need a pinch and a squeeze. Mr. Christopher was yummy.

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That bed thing - I'm just going to hope it's a rumor and not a spoiler, and just put it out of mind and not be bothered unless it actually happens. From all I've heard, though, it does sound like Uncle Rusty has the Doctor moving on a bit too soon, which just isn't right by any stretch.

But anyhow, my original intention in commenting was to say that I loved the Eccelston interview, so thanks for posting the link *G*

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Because I have access to the internet and limited information and so am as qualified as any English Prof. to psychoanalyze a writer. ;->

I, too, hope the bed rumor is...uhg...a rumor. However, I say in my next rant why it might NOT be...given the nature of RTD's apparent philosophy of life.

As for the moving on of The Runaway Bride...I don't like the romantic-comedy angle taken by Doctor Who Magazine...though I've noticed those folks aren't big fans of Rose (probably all holding out for Romana) as a romantic partner and they tend to see things in the worst possible light. And Uncle Rusty told them it would be crass to show romance this early on...and he's RIGHT!

I think, as I've said, that I agree with the manic rush concept for this episode...no time to mourn. I can't fault RTD at all on that...or on anything I've HEARD about the Christmas episode. It remains to be seen if I will LIKE it when I see it, however. And...well...I'm still mourning Rose and I'm not ready to move on.

Rae

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As for the moving on of The Runaway Bride...I don't like the romantic-comedy angle taken by Doctor Who Magazine...though I've noticed those folks aren't big fans of Rose

I noticed that! The recent Rose issue was a lovely tribute, but they tried awfully hard to spin the 'purely platonic' angle. Yeah.

I think, as I've said, that I agree with the manic rush concept for this episode...no time to mourn.

That makes sense; I could be fine with that transition.

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...about the relationship so that they could draw that 'platonic' conclusion. And that is just lack of integrity. I noticed the same thing at Wikipedia.org...and wondered if DWM was their source.

Could be accidental, I suppose, my buddy also missed huge things about "Doomsday"...because she was so excited about the end of the romantic angle...but it was lack of paying attention in her case. You can't really say that the DWM folks didn't watch the show carefully. So, they saw the scenes they just decided NOT to include them.

Some things are not really THAT open to interpretation...like what the Doctor might have been going to say there at the end. Or that Rose was a fully grown woman who knew her own mind...long before that moment on the beach...and finally, there was no way either of them were going on to live happily ever after. She would go on...yes...but neither of them is complete now. And if you miss that you miss the point of the whole storyline.

Anyway...so...yeah...DWM disappointed me but I figured they are the mouthpiece of the BBC. RTD has to KEEP spelling things out for them...for example...that a romantic-comedy would be crass at this point for the Doctor as Rose has only just departed.

I'll tell you one of the things I found interesting about RTD's take on things...was the outtake of Doomsday with the Doctor at the window and the Cyberman coming up. The Doctor suggests he and the cyberman run away. But, of course, it makes the Doctor seem too crass...too much like he doesn't care about Rose and Jackie...so RTD cut the scene down to it's emotional core..."You are proof that emotions destroy you." <<--And suddenly, the Doctor ISN'T worried about the Earth burning...or even mourning it...he is mourning Jackie and Rose.

BRILLIANT bit of underscoring of point. Also, probably allowed him to save some time but given how he changed the whole nature and audience opinion of Mr. Jefferson by removing that Impossible Planet snippet...I think he was aware of what the change meant.

It is also interesting to debate the inclusion of deleted scenes in DVD. Many times they change the overall meaning of an aired scene...and you have to wonder about the writer's intent. And the actor's intent...because was DT indeed crying over the end of the world...or his helplessness to stop it...or was he crushed by his inability to save Jackie (which is how the episode played). In the latter case, it is his love that is destroying him. While in the former case, it is his sense of responsiblity for the planet.

I'm personally happy that they went with 'his love' is destroying him. It played so well.

Rae

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And that is just lack of integrity.

Absolutely. It really boggles the mind.

Some things are not really THAT open to interpretation...like what the Doctor might have been going to say there at the end. Or that Rose was a fully grown woman who knew her own mind...long before that moment on the beach...and finally, there was no way either of them were going on to live happily ever after. She would go on...yes...but neither of them is complete now. And if you miss that you miss the point of the whole storyline.

So much Word to all of that. I think there's just so much denial about all of what you said. Even though it makes me something of a second-class citizen (yeah, whatever, pfft), I've always been glad that I came into Who through the new series (and only into the fandom after having seen the new stuff) - without any expectations, emotional baggage, or agenda, so that I could just watch and take it all for what it is without having my vision skewed by prior experience with Who. Now I'm going back through the older seasons, and I'm still glad that I didn't see any of that first.

I'm afraid I can't comment on your discussion of outtakes and deleted scenes (getting both box sets for Christmas), but you've really intrigued me bunches. I'm going to have to remember this discussion when I actually do see all the extras and look out for what you're talking about.

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...with people who don't get Rose and the Doctor...because I am old school. I was the person resisting all of this. I thought 1) the Doctor having a romance was anti-Doctor Who 2) If he WAS going to have a romance with anyone...it would have been ________* 3) Rose was fat, ugly and stupid and hardly a good match for a character like the Doctor.

And with all of that baggage going in...I fell completely in love with this storyline. It took me only two episodes to begin to see Rose's (Billie's) beauty. I simply wasn't used to the idea of normal sized women on tv...and it was a real shocker to my American eyes. Once I adjusted though, Rose actually started looking far sexier to me than the skinnier girls.

Still...I found myself resisting the romantic angle. When the Shipper Dalek declared it to be "love"...I was like..."Oh, hang on...wait a minute!" But I noticed something interesting...in World War III...even though I was still snorting derisively and having to strain my credulity to believe in the love story...I found I was no longer actively AGAINST a romance. It was more like I just couldn't see one. And then...like a snap of the fingers...in Father's Day...I saw it.

It was when Nine said, "Your wish is my command." And he sounded like she really was the owner of his little jinn bottle. After that, I found myself glued to the screen and simply swept up in the storyline. When David Tennant came onboard...I was momentarily nervous...but then...he walked into the Tyler's place and he and Rose exchanged those beaming smiles and...well...all my baggage fell away. There was never a moment from Father's Day on...that I didn't see this as a love story...and I also saw no moment that said the Doctor and Rose weren't 100% committed to each other...

...and that INCLUDES Girl in the Fireplace. I didn't think she interfered with Rose...and I would hope the new girl coming in doesn't interfer with Rose/Doctor either...I hope she is just another companion.

Rae
*Tegan...Tegan was my companion of hope...I honestly could have written smut for Five/Tegan...and I really...really wanted her back. But Tegan was right for him...not like Rose is...Just like Romana wasn't right...and neither was Sarah Jane...or Jo...all of them would rather have been somewhere else in the end...but NOT Rose. Rose...would rather be with him.

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That's really cool that you were able to be so open to the new series and the direction it was headed *g* You seem like something of a rarity online though :( Or maybe it's just that the dissenting voices screech the loudest (I'm hoping it's just that). I just try to remember that the new series, including Billy/Rose, is wildly popular with the general audience at home. Even the few old school fen that I know in real life (not involved in internet fandom) are happy.

It was when Nine said, "Your wish is my command." And he sounded like she really was the owner of his little jinn bottle.

I love the way you put that! Clever and very fitting :)

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What I meant to say was...Tegan WASN'T right for him.

She wasn't...she grew sick of his lifestyle. They bickered quite a bit. Just as he bickered with Romana. Lots of people find that sexy...the bickering...and it does make the companion less of a wet-blanket tag-a-long. But truly, after a time it's just tiresome in a relationship. Rose was so in harmony with him...she found him endearing where other people would find him infuriating. Reminding him that he was being rude...so funny. "Good! I meant that one."

Rose didn't go along with the Doctor because she was in awe of him...or because she didn't know any better...she went along with him because he was like her...they both saw their life as their life...the stuff of legend.

Rae

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1. Bullet points (and bananas) are good.
2. What a fabulous interview. Gotta love Chris. I'm currently watching Heroes from the start of the season just so I can be prepped and ready when he comes on board. (Actually, a pretty good show thus far, though the 4400 has most recently done the concept better.)
3. So are eggnog nips candy. (joy)
4. Heh. Smut. Heh.
5. I'm an ENFJ. Everyone needs to have taken the Myers-Briggs at some point. It's creepy accurate.

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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. There are eggnog nips? Hmmm! You interest me strangely.
4. Or...Mmmmm! Smut!
5. Course, when you are an INFJ you sit down and figure out the creepy...and it dawned on me that the reason it IS so creepy accurate is because it asks you to describe yourself and then tells you what you described. Like...you say YES to "I would rather spend time with my friends." Then, it ranks you as an E and tells you..."You like to spend time with friends."

SHEESH!

As for HEROES...give it time...it took me forever to get hooked but now I'm really there with it. It is the slowest show ever...but it gets you to the point where you invest in the smallest detail. Rather reminds me of the work of David Lynch...only with no dwarves or cherry pie oddness.

Rae

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OK, I just finished EP5 of Heroes ("Hiros") and first of all, I frigging LOVE Hiro. "Waffles, whoohoo!" And yes, I am now hooked. It is slow but I'm OK with that. I just needed to get to the point where the characters mattered to me, and I'm now there.

For those of you who have never done Myers-Briggs, take a look at this test:
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

Eggnog nips make me happy. Target usually has them at this time of year.

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On that test, my result was INTP. Some of the questions were vague enough for me to think, "Well, that certainly depends on the situation. I wish the question was more specific." Ironically, one line from Butt's description of INTP is "Precise about their descriptions, INTPs will often correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of meaning is a bit off."

So, maybe the test pegged me after all. I'm not sure.

I am:
* moderately expressed introvert
* moderately expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality

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But it was a false test because of just that tendancy of mine to say "It all depends." Finally, I just started answering from my gut and I've gotten INFJ ever since. As it is I am a very weak J...I just don't value reason above feeling but I DO like things to be..."Done RIGHT!" The really strong point on me is the I...N...

I am very strongly introverted. Working with lots of people (as I do every day) drains me.

And I really...REALLY like to go global on things...I am end product girl...to the point where I have to go back and explain to people how I got to my conclusions all the time. If I didn't have some judging capacity I wouldn't be able to write at all, because I wouldn't have the ability to stick in the relevant details that lead up to the end product.

My sweetie is an INTP...and yes...he really is a stickler for 'the precise truth of things sans emotional attachment'...knowing him...I can readily see the differences in us...but it is a slight shading of gray at times.

Rae

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I retook that test (been a while) and I'm not thrilled with the results either! I tested as ESFJ and I have always tested ENFP very strongly before. Ah well, anyway, the full M-B test is a good one. Bollocks to it. :)

Rae, your comment got me thinking, there's got to be a work vs. personal component here too. I'm extremely extroverted at work for example but tend to be very happy to be solo when I'm off. I am very claustrophobic for one and a lot of non-work social situations tend to be full of people and very close, and that does NOT sit well with me. If I can't get out in a hurry if I need to, I really don't want to be there.

And also, we took this very interesting conflict class at work several months ago and it did specifically delve into work vs. personal conflict management styles. At work, I am very constructive in conflict management (assertive without being aggressive) but very passive-aggressive in my personal life. Point being, you can be both ways without any inconsistency.

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