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rabid1stSo...those of you who have been following along with my wild speculation...you know that I've been on a particular horse for a very long time.
I am speaking of my very early...Donna will die prediction.
Now, it is there in the text...Dalek Caan has spoken!
So, I should be onboard with Donna dying. No further discussion is needed. But it seems to me that Donna is suffering the whole shattering experience that all companions come to eventually...that moment when the loss becomes too much to take and they leave. She says it...her grandad and her mum are gone...her whole world. She's numb and lost. This is generally when the companions decide they have had enough and go back to their ordinary life.
I would say Donna is about to leave, but there is still the other thing. "What will you be?"
I can't help thinking about how the worlds all shifted to align around the Doctor when he stepped into that hologram. They aligned in the optimum pattern, he said. But maybe that was the optimum pattern with HIM at the center of things. Maybe with Donna at the center...the pattern becomes something new. So, DoctorDonna...one or the other of them...becomes the center of everything. They must be there together at the end because one of them becomes the center of this machine Davros is making and instead of death and destruction...we have renewed life.
Apparently, there is wagerings on who is the most faithful companion. I would say that is the TARDIS. But it also seems to me that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy because whoever dies for the Doctor is automatically the most faithful.
However...I am struck by two things...the idea of everlasting death and the fact that the Doctor doesn't really call his companions...companions. To me, this prediction is so fuzzy that it can be taken any number of ways. No mention is made of the "faithful companion" being a companion of the Doctor. It's not "The Doctor's most faithful companion." No mention is made really of the companion being doomed...but rather it will have everlasting death. This puts four characters in the running for not dying at all but instead having their perpetual lives changed. Davros, the Doctor, Caan (he says he died over and over again in the time-lock of hte Time War) and Jack are all beings who have cheated death over and over again. They all suffered temporary deaths...as opposed to everlasting ones.
So...what I'm saying is...that the death idea isn't necessarily part of Donna's "what will you be?" prophecy. It could be two separate things going on. Maybe Caan is talking about his own everlasting death, freeing him from his madness and suffering at last.
The foreshadowing on Donna dying could be a red herring...because it struck me seeing Wilf go on to Rose and Donna's mum about Donna in space, that he might have been choked up by the very idea of the Doctor.
I thought it highly unlikely before...but now...maybe. Still, it is also possible that Donna has been dying all along and that is how we will justify her sacrificing herself to become "something new." Because, the one thing that bothers me about Donna dying is I think her mum and her gramps need her. So we almost have to kill them off, too. Something I would regret quite a lot. Or maybe...in the Donna universe...there's still a Donna temp. Who can say?
I suppose this is all fruitless speculation on my main point which is that I don't necessarily think that Caan is talking about one of the Doctor's companions at all.
Rae
I am speaking of my very early...Donna will die prediction.
Now, it is there in the text...Dalek Caan has spoken!
So, I should be onboard with Donna dying. No further discussion is needed. But it seems to me that Donna is suffering the whole shattering experience that all companions come to eventually...that moment when the loss becomes too much to take and they leave. She says it...her grandad and her mum are gone...her whole world. She's numb and lost. This is generally when the companions decide they have had enough and go back to their ordinary life.
I would say Donna is about to leave, but there is still the other thing. "What will you be?"
I can't help thinking about how the worlds all shifted to align around the Doctor when he stepped into that hologram. They aligned in the optimum pattern, he said. But maybe that was the optimum pattern with HIM at the center of things. Maybe with Donna at the center...the pattern becomes something new. So, DoctorDonna...one or the other of them...becomes the center of everything. They must be there together at the end because one of them becomes the center of this machine Davros is making and instead of death and destruction...we have renewed life.
Apparently, there is wagerings on who is the most faithful companion. I would say that is the TARDIS. But it also seems to me that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy because whoever dies for the Doctor is automatically the most faithful.
However...I am struck by two things...the idea of everlasting death and the fact that the Doctor doesn't really call his companions...companions. To me, this prediction is so fuzzy that it can be taken any number of ways. No mention is made of the "faithful companion" being a companion of the Doctor. It's not "The Doctor's most faithful companion." No mention is made really of the companion being doomed...but rather it will have everlasting death. This puts four characters in the running for not dying at all but instead having their perpetual lives changed. Davros, the Doctor, Caan (he says he died over and over again in the time-lock of hte Time War) and Jack are all beings who have cheated death over and over again. They all suffered temporary deaths...as opposed to everlasting ones.
So...what I'm saying is...that the death idea isn't necessarily part of Donna's "what will you be?" prophecy. It could be two separate things going on. Maybe Caan is talking about his own everlasting death, freeing him from his madness and suffering at last.
The foreshadowing on Donna dying could be a red herring...because it struck me seeing Wilf go on to Rose and Donna's mum about Donna in space, that he might have been choked up by the very idea of the Doctor.
I thought it highly unlikely before...but now...maybe. Still, it is also possible that Donna has been dying all along and that is how we will justify her sacrificing herself to become "something new." Because, the one thing that bothers me about Donna dying is I think her mum and her gramps need her. So we almost have to kill them off, too. Something I would regret quite a lot. Or maybe...in the Donna universe...there's still a Donna temp. Who can say?
I suppose this is all fruitless speculation on my main point which is that I don't necessarily think that Caan is talking about one of the Doctor's companions at all.
Rae
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Date: 2008-07-03 01:50 pm (UTC)I do like that the idea of the Doctor retiring has been with this show since S1 when Rose/Vortex says it "All things end. All things come to dust." RTD knew we, old schoolers, would be smug about that and assume that ROSE is the one who will end. That's the thing about RTD and assumptions...if you assume something is a given...he likes to challenge it.
I don't think anyone (even ME) assumes that a happy ending for Rose and her Doctor is a given. I think it will come as a grand and delightful surprise, a twist on what is expected which is that she dies or is married to Mickey or able to go on without him or he rejects her for traveling. The happy ending for Rose/Ten is the least likely of Doctor Who scenarios, really.
And yet, I think RTD wants to give it to us. And so...the least likely thing is that the Doctor is freed of his lonliness. And this can happen three ways in this set up.
1) He goes to Rose and has a family again...and how cool is that spoiler pic of the Tyler/Smith family! Very Cool!
2) He accepts that if he is half human on his mother's side he IS a monkey's uncle and that's not so bad because the humans can kick some Dalek ass...while at the same time showing vastly greater compassion than his own people.
3) The Time Lords are restored with the recreation of the universs. This could be the use the HAND is put to...but I do like the idea of another Doctor. On the other hand (chortle...I do love saying that now) maybe Donna creates a temporary Doctor in her universe. A Ten to do TEN's job until he can get back from his little vacation. People will like that better, I think.
As for which journal you are visiting...Is it MINE or Astichintime9's? I don't know if I'm capable of inspiring you...but I intend to check her out more often if she's become an open tab on your journal. I should go check her out right now...actually.
Rae