I know I said the last time was the last time...

[rabid1st]

...but this time is definitely the last time. At least until the next time some crack!spec idea occurs to me...this one is a doozy though.

Do we really need to consider any of these spoilers? I think not...but just in case...here is a cut to protect the innocent from having their brains liquified by the crackiness.

Okay...wait for it...

...wait--!

Ready?

"Grown not built!"

:opens arms wide: TADA!

:cocks head because you are all giving me rather alarmed looks:

I have NOT had too much coffee. Sixteen cups is perfect normal in some circles. Lemme sum up...

What if Donna is a TARDIS?

Linked to the Doctor's TARDIS (and so the Doctor) by those particles she was dosed with...apparently...but maybe not...maybe she's just in the growing process. Then the Bad Wolf energy can bring her into her own...and she can be full of alternative realities or something...or she could get the Doctor's hand to make another Time Lord for her.

Okay...so that's rather like Disheveled. And really, really far-fetched...but still...neat...we never think of the TARDIS, do we? Yet, it was listed as a companion in Midnight.



Rae

Comments

[principia.livejournal.com]

Actually, it's more like Compassion, the female companion from the books who was a TARDIS. I don't know that they'd want to rip off that character.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Ah...good point. There is that. On the other hand...haven't you got the feeling that they are ripping off the books. I mean...Rose is sort of Charley and Sam combined. And River was definitely shades of Summerfield.

I'm afraid I didn't read the Compassion books but probably enough people did to make it unlikely they will go that route. Still...we seldom think of Donna in non-human terms...well...I do...but not that non-human until now.

Rae

[milieva]

Hm... I don't know. I could take this moment to point out that there is a second TARDIS in this universe. At least according to some old Torchwood info about the things on Jack's desk. I think it was supposed in the hub tour or something. That plant.

But given all that she was seeded with, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Donna was a TARDIS, but I don't know. I don't think RTD will go that crack on us... but who knows.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I like your rainbow Doctor...he should come with a unicorn.

I don't think that he will go there...well...it doesn't really solve anything...and there is another TARDIS...or two actually...because the MASTER has one, theoretically.

Also...if we get multiple Doctor's in some way...I think our TARDIS could do that splitting thing that it does in The Five Doctors...though I've always had another explanation for that, myself...but still...you could play with it.

Rae
thinking that she's the first human time lord is really the theory to stick with.

[astitchintime-9.livejournal.com]

I knew you weren't finished! :shakes head: I read your previous post and I didn't believe for a second that it was your last word on the matter.

I'd still rather have Donna as a Time Lord than a TARDIS. Just my opinion of what constitutes a HEA...

[milieva]

Ah, but there is a unicorn.... though he really doesn't look like much of one in the icon, does he? But he does have possesion of the sonic screwdriver.

Multiple Doctors might be fun. I will think on that in my giddy sleep deprived state.

I like Donna as the first human time lord. Donna as TARDIS is reaching a bit out to the crack fields of... I'm not sure where I was going with this, but you get the idea.

[auntiesuze.livejournal.com]

*laughing* I'll never get tired of your cracky ideas! But...there could be some thread of truth there.

What if the TARDIS gets sucked of all its energy (as it did when traveling to the parallel universe) and Donna sacrifices herself to rejuvenate it?

Or binds with the TARDIS ala Rose in PotW, but there's nobody to keep her from "burning".

I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be a TARDIS since RTD and company have made it pretty clear that the TARDIS is coral-like. I can't remember if they've confirmed it or just insinuated it, but the piece of coral on Jack's desk is supposed to be a baby/infant/zygote/whatever TARDIS. However, that doesn't mean that she couldn't end up being connected to one.

*Sixteen* cups of coffee????!!! 0_0! lol

[fidesangelus.livejournal.com]

Ok now Rae. I've been with you and your crack!spec until this point but I just, uh... not following that Donna is a future TARDIS. I mean its possible because anything is possible but I'd have to say that this one isn't something I'd be remotely happy about and would probably be angry because for her to become a TARDIS she would lose her Donna-ness and that's a depressing thought. So I applaud your crazy theories and your ability to come up with this stuff but this one I'm going to not board the train on.

Haha, you're still great though. :)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I might be kidding about that coffee. But I am not kidding about my brain being on overload. It is just churning now...and it's into the serious crack. The reason is the one I name...we only have a week before my personal canon for this show is set in stone. This is my last chance to generate new threads of possibility.

I know that I will get all these people that say..."Oh, canon never happened...just pretend that your fanfiction is the canon." But that's not how my brain works...because my brain is all about putting together the pieces and making a puzzle...I can't leave out a big old piece and pretend that the picture is of kittens...when it is actually a lion devouring a martyr or something.

I was thinking that the thing on Jack's desk might not be a TARDIS afterall...since that is only incidental to the plot. But I think with her name being Donna Noble...the Noble Lady...we are looking at closer to Time Lord. Also...the idea here is that the Doctor and Donna are tied together in something like a marriage. And that people are transformed...and it's something to do with breeding or a new family.

We get a hint in the preview about "children of time" and that is a reference, I think, to the Doctor's companions. This also refers back to the Diary of Impossible Things...where he writes about children and relatives...and it could be a very simple solution of changing the paradigm...and having him view the human race as his family....all his companions as his children. But I would like to have him get some rest with Rose...to feel slightly differently about her...because...well...she's always struck me as more like him than any other companion.

I think we have to logically...look at that power in Jack...and look at what Jack, Martha and Sarah Jane have done on their own. Martha is in UNIT just like Harry Sullivan. Jack is sort of the new age Brigadier. Sarah Jane is a direct bridge to the Old School Who...and I feel like maybe RTD meant to connect everything to S1 via Rose's Bad Wolf powers. All along, I've felt, as have many people...that everyone should have noticed the Bad Wolf Bay.

And Rose knowing about her powers when she confronts Daleks again, too. And the Doctor sending Rose away when he loved her so very much. I know if I was RTD I would have the wolf threatening to consume Rose if it take her again...that the Doctor sort of stop-gapped the inevitable...like he tried to do before with her...letting her have a little more of an ordinary life. Only...since I am me...I would have Donna take on the Bad Wolf transformation and free Rose and the Doctor for a life together.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I had too much coffee. Well...that's not true. But I do think this is a crack!Speculation too far...though I already used that title for one a few steps back...it came from that little line that Donna said about "traveling with him forever." And from him refering to the TARDIS as a companion.

As I said...this is really just my last chance to speculate.

But if we were going to go with what I would do...I would have the Bad Wolf energy in Jack be important to the solution. I would have the hand also be important...and maybe Mr. Smith...I would have the idea of cloning be part of it. I would involve that shadow proclamation group to look at the Doctor's interference over time and what he's doing to the human race. And I would find a way to send the Doctor off with Rose while Donna acts as his super temp.

But I'm not RTD...so...lord knows what we are going to get. It really is open to many different crack!storylines at this point...and if he has both THAT and a way to tie this all together into logic...RTD is da man!

Rae

[fidesangelus.livejournal.com]

Well I'm just glad you knew it was a little out there even for crack!speculation. ;) And as always when it comes to Doctor Who and I'm going to be optimistic in saying that RTD is a man with a plan and that plan will end in a happy. Yup. I just keep telling myself that and I'll get it. "It ends in a happy."

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

I rather prefer to think that Rose is a TARDIS now, a la Compassion from the books. It makes sense to me that when she and the TARDIS hooked up and looked into each other, the TARDIS knew that her frail human body would not be able to handle the vortex for even a few seconds without dying, let alone maintaining it for a good two minutes or so. Nine sure as heck did not last as long as she did, and he had to regenerate. So why did she live? Probably because the TARDIS changed her in some way, making her into a vessel that could withstand the power of the vortex. Something like a TARDIS, maybe? =D

Which is the reason why I squeed so hard when Rose just vanished into thin air in PiC. It seemed as if my theory had come true. I can see RTD continuing his trend of making bits and pieces of book canon.. well, Canon in the TV series, on his own terms. The Time War, Human Nature, and other instances I can't recall (too tired) are just a few examples of this trend, so why not human TARDISes too? XD

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...you could see why I wouldn't go for Rose is a TARDIS as a theory...since that would make Disheveled pretty much canon...and be rather self-involved of me. Though I obviously did think that made perfect sense at one time and still think it makes sense as a way of doing a complete forever with the Doctor and Rose.

Still, I am basing everything now on the idea that it IS the Doctor and Donna that must save the universe. This theory is pure crack and came out of the idea that the TARDIS is mentioned as a companion. I had forgotten about Compassion but don't really see that it would matter to RTD as he pillages the books anyway...the Time War itself is from the books.

But I think any solution would have to run through Donna for this season as it is her season...and if some amazing transformation is coming...it would probably be of her. So Rose doesn't make sense at this late date...except as an incidental part of the transformation of Donna...like Bad Wolf supplies the power for whatever it is...since Jack still has that power inside...and Rose may well still be able to access it.

Rae

Aw hell, LET Rose and the Doctor have their forever!

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

I can see what you mean about Donna in context of the finale. It should be her and the Doctor that ultimately save the day. I just wasn't really considering that when I was theorizing about Rose, since I came up with this theory only just after Tooth and Claw. It would be too much for the finale, I agree. But then again, maybe it's something that could pop up at a later date or, as you say, it can be a mention in connection to Donna doing her thing to save the day.

I can even see the TARDIS making continuing, sort of how Time Lords can pass on their abilities to others, according to your spec. TARDIS!Rose could make Donna into a TARDIS as well, or heck even Jack. It would explain the crack of how Jack could turn into the Face of Boe, since a chameleon circuit could technically change their appearance into whatever is appropriate. And it would be another way around keeping characters in the series long after their original actors stop playing them. ^__~

Well...I think that the idea of the TARDIS

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Breeding goes hand in hand with the idea of the Doctor breeding...perpetuating himself somehow. Again, I refer you to the end of Disheveled. ;-> Which is a story, I know you liked...and I certainly felt was plausible.

But you know...all of this could just be the way I'm looking at things from Last of the Time Lords. RTD could well have been setting up his Ten/Rose forever idea by allowing the Doctor to age normally for a human under the laserScrewdriver...but...there has been no explanation in the canon for what happened to him. Maybe he did respond to the laser adversely and get older...or maybe the re-energizing of love from the earthlings re-energized him so much that he doesn't age normally NOW.

The nice thing about scifi is that you can do anything you like until you flat out say you cannot do something. Though sometimes there are inferences that you have to seriously explain away if you want to change things that you've already established. And sometimes explaining those things away makes you look like a twit: Lungbarrow. *cough*

In other words...if they want David Tennant to go to Rose live a life with her and then come back still looking like youngish David Tennant...then they will need to explain how/why he aged so much in one episode and so little in a later one. It could well be that Rose doesn't age normally now either...as she was exposed to the Vortex...and Jack is immortal from that. So, it could be that even though Rose retained her humanity after the Doctor took the power from her...she was still changed at the cellular level.

The nice thing about minimalism in Doctor Who is that we have the ability to create so much out of it in our heads. I think someone like RTD is a master at letting us make up stuff in our heads by only giving us the information we need for his storyline. One of the reasons all my theories for the endgame are crack...is that they are far too complex. RTD will be working on something simple...but possibly far-reaching...like Donna being the first human Time Lord...or a time lord in disguise. First Human Time Lord though...puts a real mark on the series, changes it at a fundamental level without changing it at all in other ways.

This minimalist business is not to be confused with Moffat...who leaves things out of his storyline and then over explains them later. Moffat tells us too much on one level and not enough on another. Though I do admit that all those people thinking Rose was going to stay on the ship forever in Girl in the Fireplace were completely off their nuts...because yeah...he'd set up the program before to take her home...AND...he flat out says, "Always wait 5 and 1/2 hours." Which indicates, clearly, that Rose was the one waiting on him...and so could have left at any time.

Still, I think Moffat's excessive misdirection with Reinette...something he does again with River...is just jarring to the regular viewers. It will be interesting to see what he does when he's in charge of everything...but the idea of David coming back...that's one that is hard to reconcile with any sort of happy ending for Rose...beyond the one I offer in the TARDIS.

While I was sure Billie was coming back all along...I don't know that she would come back AGAIN...maybe. But beyond that...I don't think Moffat should get his mitts on Ten...he doesn't really have the sense of continuity he would need to make Ten the emo-boy that he's been. I hear a chorus of fans going "Good!" But people, I fear, will not respond well to DT as slutboi in space week to week. To me...Ten looked uncomfortable with River...and I think if we mean to make the Doctor an intergalactic player...we need to give him a new personality.

Of course, maybe that's what they intend to do if there is any truth to the DoctorDonna business.

Rae