One final DW Finale Crack!Speculation
Jun. 27th, 2008 08:13 pmSo...I suddenly got very apprehensive about the finale...yesterday. All of my hubris and overt confidence drained away.
However, a new day has dawned...and I'm almost recovered. And I've thought of another crack!spec theory.
What if RTD actually went with the Looms idea?
Those of you familiar with book canon will be aware of the whole concept of the Looms. The concept is that Time Lords breed by combining their DNA via...I don't know...cosmic weaving. This is tied into Susan being the Doctor's granddaughter but one generation removed. I know...I know...it all seems needlessly complex and more than a little ridiculous, too. But...the idea is that before we had THIS Doctor...there was another...called, The Other. And The Other was Susan's REAL grandfather. But after he was Loomed...he came out as OUR Doctor...and Susan recognized him.
Anyway...I tend to think of that as the main reason I don't read the books and don't think of them as canon.
Which makes this theory of mine all the more cracktastic! Because...well...I keep coming back to the Doctor's hand...and 4 episodes in 2009. And all of the dimensional walls coming down...and River...and I can't help thinking we might be looking at a situation where multiple Doctors come in handy (Get it? Handy! :snort: ).
So...what if Donna and the Doctor's hand...got loomed somehow? Why do we need Donna? I don't know...because the process needs a living host...all the other aliens needed human hosts. He's half-human on his mother's side...maybe that's what it means...he was loomed out of a human woman. So...we loom him again...and have multiple copies of Ten...each sent off to his own universe. Then we could always have Ten stories...of course...from any universe. So David Tennant gets his shot at immortality...and any future show runner can reset the universe however he likes, too, and not make David irrelevant.
And really...I tell you...if RTD makes the Looms canon...and relevant...he will deserve to go down in legend and song. I will personally write him a song. What rhymes with Lungbarrow? Tonguearrow? Bungmarrow?
:grin:
Rae
who really should cut down on the caffeine.
However, a new day has dawned...and I'm almost recovered. And I've thought of another crack!spec theory.
What if RTD actually went with the Looms idea?
Those of you familiar with book canon will be aware of the whole concept of the Looms. The concept is that Time Lords breed by combining their DNA via...I don't know...cosmic weaving. This is tied into Susan being the Doctor's granddaughter but one generation removed. I know...I know...it all seems needlessly complex and more than a little ridiculous, too. But...the idea is that before we had THIS Doctor...there was another...called, The Other. And The Other was Susan's REAL grandfather. But after he was Loomed...he came out as OUR Doctor...and Susan recognized him.
Anyway...I tend to think of that as the main reason I don't read the books and don't think of them as canon.
Which makes this theory of mine all the more cracktastic! Because...well...I keep coming back to the Doctor's hand...and 4 episodes in 2009. And all of the dimensional walls coming down...and River...and I can't help thinking we might be looking at a situation where multiple Doctors come in handy (Get it? Handy! :snort: ).
So...what if Donna and the Doctor's hand...got loomed somehow? Why do we need Donna? I don't know...because the process needs a living host...all the other aliens needed human hosts. He's half-human on his mother's side...maybe that's what it means...he was loomed out of a human woman. So...we loom him again...and have multiple copies of Ten...each sent off to his own universe. Then we could always have Ten stories...of course...from any universe. So David Tennant gets his shot at immortality...and any future show runner can reset the universe however he likes, too, and not make David irrelevant.
And really...I tell you...if RTD makes the Looms canon...and relevant...he will deserve to go down in legend and song. I will personally write him a song. What rhymes with Lungbarrow? Tonguearrow? Bungmarrow?
:grin:
Rae
who really should cut down on the caffeine.
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Date: 2008-06-28 12:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-06-28 12:58 am (UTC)*the entire concept of Looms has always seemed like a needless act of fanwankery.
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Date: 2008-06-28 01:06 am (UTC)I think about how much I loath it and it goes hand in hand for me with the idea of "half-human on my mother's side." Honestly, when I came back into the fandom after the break following the movie...I couldn't believe anyone was taking seriously. My jaw dropped and I was all..."He was joking, people." But then, I went back and I suppose somehow I either saw an edited version or I blocked the Master's comment from my mind.
Now, we have the offical site claiming it officially...and since I'm all about Rose getting babies...I'm all about embracing the humaness of the Doctor. Besides...it has a sort of symmetry with the canon now that he's the last of his kind...and it would explain why he was never in step with the rest of the time lords. If we are going to elevate the humans...then him being half-human works.
It just seemed at the time like complete fanwank. Not unlike...as you note...the idea of the Looms, which I find not only fanwanery but a sort of creepy form of sexual repression. Like a cosmic cabbage leaf. I mean...come on...let the poor alien do-gooder get laid once a millenia. Somewhere off stage, sure...but can't he have a biology of some kind?
Rae
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Date: 2008-06-28 02:59 am (UTC)With all the myriad of theories out there, some crack, some not, I'm doing everything in my power not to even think about what will happen Sat. I'm so afraid of being let down and hurt and yet I'm also so full of hope and excitement. If I think about it too much, I just might explode and I'll be at work all day tomorrow and I really like the cleaning lady that works Saturdays and I really don't want her to have to clean that mess up.
Talk to ya on the flip side....S
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Date: 2008-06-28 03:18 am (UTC)And like you I am now sort of afraid to be let down...I think...it can't possibly really work out, can it? But then...I am also filled with hope and I don't think I will deflate until RTD stabs me with the large knitting needle of his finale.
I do feel that Saturday will give us some good stuff...because there are his reactions to get through at the very least. And I feel they will meet up close to the end...just because you need that little...moment before it all goest to hell...like the moment in Doomsday when he is explaining about the 3-D glasses.
Rae
just wanting the happy for her lifetime...that's all...and I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Date: 2008-06-28 03:38 am (UTC)I am totally in agreement with you that the half-human-on-my-mother's-side concept is, ahem, difficult to accept. In all honesty, I don't accept it - I have, in fact, spent over a decade not accepting it - and unless RTD* pulls something marvelous out of his hat, I believe that any finale that uses that concept as a foundation for a HEA ending will be dross.
OTOH, I can accept the concept of Gallifreyans having/using Looms for reproduction; the premise of advanced biological engineering techniques is common in SF. (Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (c.1932?), the Aurons from Blakes 7 (c.1978?) and Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan series (c.1990?) are three examples that spring easily to mind.) That said, though, I still don't see how Looming can fit into the ending.
I very much preferred your Chameleon Arch for creating Time Lords theory. I am troubled by attempting to kitchen-sink Looming into the finale. How would it work to recreate the Doctor? Why? Wouldn't it be better utilized to re-create a new race of Gallifreyans (as I think the Doctor yearns to have)? With Gallifrey gone, would the TARDIS have the information needed to build or initiate the process? I don't recall RTD filling in more details on the subject to-date, so any application of it now would be a tenuous stretch. Not to mention making the progeny even less Gallifreyan than Human. In that case, I'd be happy enough to skip the Looms altogether and let the Doctor and Rose go figure it out together. ;-)
Actually, my biggest concern of all is that although I think that you might mean to have only two versions of the Doctor, who's to say that it would stop there? Personally, I'd be troubled by having a zillion Doctors** all careering off in every direction (Jenny was more than sufficient in that regard).
I would like to discover a good use of the hand, however, so I am open to more crack!spec about it.
P.S. - *I give RTD much credit: I came to accept the "Last of the Time Lords" scenario, despite my initial denial of it, because it was perfect for Nine (as CE portrayed him). OTOH, I still categorically deny "Face of Boe", because it's pointless and just makes me want to cry. As well as being an afterthought. (There's a clip on YouTube that shows the lack of continuity.)
P.P.S. - ** Creating multiple Tens would dilute - not to say negate - the impact of Four's "The definite article, you might say" (at 5:30) quip to Harry Sullivan, back in the day.
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Date: 2008-06-28 03:54 am (UTC)As things currently stand...we feel that there is one Doctor...one of each Time Lord...and all the Time Lords are gone...except him. That means there are lots of universes without Doctors, then. All I'm suggesting is that they all get one. And we leave it up to the audience to wonder if we are still with "the definite article."
But the idea of the Doctor as unique might be too sacred to contemplate...I know I've always rejected the idea of Rose finding another him in her univese. But mostly that's because I think that what makes you YOU isn't the way you look or even having the same experiences...I think that what makes Ten TEN is partly his relationship with Rose...and Martha and Donna and Jack...I think that if there was a Doctor that looked like him but didn't have those experiences...Rose wouldn't love him...she'd still love her REAL Doctor.
I would like a good use of the hand. I wouldn't really like the Looming...especially of Donna...but maybe the Doctor CAN'T Loom Gallifreyans, as you suggest, because he's half-human on his mother's side. So he can't make Gallifreyans from his hand. He can only make human time lords.
And while I wouldn't really argue with Looms as genetic engineering...aliens will be aliens. You know I'm in favor of that. But it was all the crack designed to make Susan not his REAL grand daughter that I objected to in it. I mean...did they have to go that far to support the fanwank that the Doctor has never had sex? When I first heard that idea...kicking around in the 80's...that the Doctor was "too high minded to have sex" I thought...phfft! I mean...he could be but there isn't much evidence of that. He could get his granddaughter any number of ways...but looming himself seems like a really extreme way to do it.
Rae
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Date: 2008-06-28 04:30 am (UTC)