Donna, Donna, Donna Noble...the noble lady...

[rabid1st]

Okay...I'm not going to go back on my she's the Rani tangent again...but you have to admit that's quite the name she's got hanging on her.

Let's talk about something from Episode #4 under the cut...

This is about Martha Jones and how Donna notices that Martha was married and also that she has become a soldier. Again, I feel that Donna is noticing a bit too much and passing a few judgments on the Doctor and his lifestyle. This puts a lot of pressure on Rose to live up to a much higher standard than anyone else...if, indeed, she's the Doctor's true love. I do hope RTD can deliver on that. The alternative of course is that she's been crushed by her responsiblities and living alone and the Doctor has ruined everything he's ever touched. But, I believe still that RTD will have Rose be the exception to the rule rather than the norm. I haven't been happy with the Martha or Jack development...I hope Rose rises a bit above their standard and lands closer to the Doctor's standard.

Comments

[sideways.livejournal.com]

i have a question that i hope you may answer - i've read about your "rani" theories, but i really don't know what the rani is. i used to watch doctor who when i was younger, but, i wasn't so much into all that stuff back then, and i never really found out. would ya mind telling me?

god, i hope rtd delivers. he better.

[inwe-amandil.livejournal.com]

While I don't agree with the jack comment, I do have to admit to being one of the people who is woefully ignorant of the 7th doctor novels, and your comment intrigued me. Care to elaborate on how Ace became a mercenary? I thought she ended up patrolling the rift in paris or something, but then I also heard that she died in the time war in the fighting over gallifrey-although I'm pretty sure that bits just a piece of fanfiction thats stuck in my mind-

[wickedgillie.livejournal.com]

After Martha's tenure as a freedom fighter during the course of Last of the Timelords, being a soldier makes sense because, really, how else do any of the alien-knowledgable operations on Earth work? When it's all about keeping Earth safe and you don't have the mode to go out and explore, being involved in UNIT to be a part of the lifestyle introduced via the Doctor is pretty much the only option. Being out there with him changes you. Look at Sarah Jane. Look at Jack (well, poor choice, since he was already out there to begin with). We know Rose is with alterna-Torchwood. And even Mickey chose to be part of the good fight rather than go home and be ordinary. I think Donna is very carefully weighing what this journey is going to cost her in terms of her soul and sanity.

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

This scares me, because what if, because he loves her, he cuts Rose lose because he thinks it will "save her". Of course he tried that with Sarah Jane and it didn't do her a world of good. He's also tried sending Rose away before, but she keeps coming back.
*beats head on desk
I just want a happy love story for those two. Is that too much to ask?

[webeh.livejournal.com]

I haven't been happy with the Martha or Jack development...I hope Rose rises a bit above their standard and lands closer to the Doctor's standard.

I'm being a little dense, so I have to ask what do you mean by this statement.

Do you mean how meeting the Doctor meant really bad things for both Martha and Jack? Because, it really is tragic that the Doctor's presence has affected their lives the way it was. Jack with the whole immortal and not-dying thing. And, Martha with the forced hardening because of being thrown into a Big Brother/war zone environment without another companion present to help maintain her innocence.

If that's what you mean, I really don't think the same thing will happen to Rose. Why? Because even though she's stranded in the alternate universe, she has her friends/family with her. Jackie by nature is a gentle person (despite the tendency to yell at those who threaten her daughter) and Mickey is the one who hardened, so Rose won't have to. (I'm fairly certain if something morally questionable needs to be done, Mickey will be the one to do it for Rose.)

And on top of that, I think if you consider Rose's future opportunities prior to meeting the Doctor, things could only go uphill. He exposed her to so many opportunities to better herself emotionally and professionally.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

This will teach me to post when I am pressed for time. Let's see...I imagine Rose as you've said...that she will be more like the Doctor in her universe. Jack and Martha both give the excuse that they are doing the best they can...and I don't blame them for their level of development. But it does seem to me that they are not quite worthy of him. They are good people and they fight the good fight...but Torchwood and UNIT do a lot of shoot first and ask questions later.

I don't see...WE don't see the Doctor behave this way. He does use guns...he armed himself in Bad Wolf and he blew up his home planet and he armed himself in DALEK...he killed the Empress and all her children. But he doesn't go in guns blazing...he tries to get them to surrender first and we see very little of this in Torchwood...case in point the torture of the woman until her Sleeper soldier came out. Jack coldly tortures...the Doctor coldly puts the Family of Blood on ice forever, too. But Rose, I think...wouldn't do either of those things. The Rose, I believe in, is the Rose the Doctor believes in...and she makes the world a better place.

I don't want to see her as a kick-ass soldier type...like Jack and Martha. And I am saying...I can't tell if RTD thinks kick-ass soldier is a wonderful thing to be. It does appear that he is aware that the DOCTOR doesn't think it is so very wonderful.

Rae

[webeh.livejournal.com]

But Rose, I think...wouldn't do either of those things. The Rose, I believe in, is the Rose the Doctor believes in...and she makes the world a better place.

Also, I think Rose isn't wired the same way as Jack and Martha. The way their personalities are structured, they are more likely to harden when faced with a really harsh situations. Whereas when you consider Rose's generally softer demeanor (and that's not at all a bad thing), I think she'd rather break than develop violent behaviours. Like the sleezy pick-up line says, "She's a lover, not a fighter." Just not quite as skeezy. ;)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Yes...Rose is softer...and I can easily see people giving her a hard time at Torchwood...like happened in Disheveled. I can see her being as off step with her contemporary humans. This is what I think...I think she will go on fighting for them...but she really needs his understanding and support. She could...like him...go on alone if she had to...and make good moral choices for saving the world...but why should she have to when he could go help out?

Rae

[soniced-up.livejournal.com]

I hope Rose rises a bit above their standard and lands closer to the Doctor's standard.

Oh I'm quite confident, that if RTD continues to writer her with the same character growth that we saw through the two series, then we will see someone very different from Jack or Martha.

When she met the Doctor, Rose was at a very impressionable stage in her life. She was aimless. She didn't know what to do with her life. And like most people at 19, she was searching for her place in life.

She said it herself in PotW.."He showed me a better way to live. You don't just give up. You don't just let things happen. You take a stand."

And we see her do just that in The Christmas Invasion, when she stands in the Doctor's place and tries to talk down the Sycorax. Another clear example is how she took charge in Satan's Pit and got everyone to safety. In both these situations she did just as the Doctor taught her, she used her brains rather than her brawn.

I think this is a very important lesson that she learned from the Doctor and I believe she learned it well. And I believe, as a result of this and other lessons she learned, that we will see a very mature, and most likely a very lonely, Rose who will be very 'Doctor like.' :)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

You and I are completely in agreement on this. And yes, RTD has given Rose the lavish attention all these years...so I feel bad voicing any doubt. It was just...seeing Martha...and knowing how everyone would go on about her in the confidential...I started to wonder...do they think this is a GOOD thing...this kick-ass behavior. Or do they see...as they seem to...that Rose should be more like the Doctor?

I was just having a doubting moment. Thanks for coming to talk me over it. :sigh: Rose is Rose and she is much more likely to use her brain than her brawn. I completely agree. She is his center of compassion...and should remain so.

Rae