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keswindhover 's theories...
Kes has been on since Utopia about Utopia and the sharp-toothed end of the universe dwellers. She wants it to be part of the grand plan and not just a convenient peril and goal for everyone. And I do agree that would be neat. So, when she said the Toclafane don't look very Dalek-y to her...and she thinks they are linked to Utopia. I started speculating...of course.
So, what if...the Toclafane, a Gallifreyan fairytale monster, were indeed real? Just like the show has proven some of OUR monsters to be real. What if...looking into the Vortex at all eternity...the Master saw THEM and went mad? Through his entire life the sound of their drums echoed in his head...and he acted as an agent of chaos. What if what would break the Doctor's hearts isn't that some fragments of his civilization exist but that this other force, the Toclafane, orchestrated the Time War to their own benefit?
What if the Daleks and the Time Lords were manuevered into destroying each other to speed up the end of our universe? Now THAT would be a really cool new villian for our Doctor to fight. A villian bent of destroying the universe...for their own ends..."Come to Utopia."
I must say, Kes, I am suddenly hoping you are onto something here because I am sick to death of resurrecting old school villians. ;-> As, I said at the beginning of the season, the day they bring back the Master is the day to admit the well is dry and they should pack it in. But maybe they decided the well was dry and it's time to drill a new well. Also, then the Master's Paradox Machine is a weapon FOR the Time Lord side as well as against it...and he would be a true double agent and sort of redeemed.
And on the subject of Rose and why she might a) stay in another universe and b) have orchestrated the whole other universe escape hatch in the first place...which is what I think happened...well...if SHE looked into eternity and saw this unstoppable enemy that would use her against the Doctor...she might have been inspired. Maybe the Doctor didn't see the Toclafane because he's telling the truth and he ran away. It would certainly explain some of his status on Gallifrey if he became a Time Lord anyway. And it would even explain some of the reactions he's had to Jack and to Rose when she was Bad Wolf...he was definitely in awe of her there.
Rae
keswindhover 's theories...Kes has been on since Utopia about Utopia and the sharp-toothed end of the universe dwellers. She wants it to be part of the grand plan and not just a convenient peril and goal for everyone. And I do agree that would be neat. So, when she said the Toclafane don't look very Dalek-y to her...and she thinks they are linked to Utopia. I started speculating...of course.
So, what if...the Toclafane, a Gallifreyan fairytale monster, were indeed real? Just like the show has proven some of OUR monsters to be real. What if...looking into the Vortex at all eternity...the Master saw THEM and went mad? Through his entire life the sound of their drums echoed in his head...and he acted as an agent of chaos. What if what would break the Doctor's hearts isn't that some fragments of his civilization exist but that this other force, the Toclafane, orchestrated the Time War to their own benefit?
What if the Daleks and the Time Lords were manuevered into destroying each other to speed up the end of our universe? Now THAT would be a really cool new villian for our Doctor to fight. A villian bent of destroying the universe...for their own ends..."Come to Utopia."
I must say, Kes, I am suddenly hoping you are onto something here because I am sick to death of resurrecting old school villians. ;-> As, I said at the beginning of the season, the day they bring back the Master is the day to admit the well is dry and they should pack it in. But maybe they decided the well was dry and it's time to drill a new well. Also, then the Master's Paradox Machine is a weapon FOR the Time Lord side as well as against it...and he would be a true double agent and sort of redeemed.
And on the subject of Rose and why she might a) stay in another universe and b) have orchestrated the whole other universe escape hatch in the first place...which is what I think happened...well...if SHE looked into eternity and saw this unstoppable enemy that would use her against the Doctor...she might have been inspired. Maybe the Doctor didn't see the Toclafane because he's telling the truth and he ran away. It would certainly explain some of his status on Gallifrey if he became a Time Lord anyway. And it would even explain some of the reactions he's had to Jack and to Rose when she was Bad Wolf...he was definitely in awe of her there.
Rae
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Date: 2007-06-26 04:27 pm (UTC)And I know I'm rambling terribly, but I was really hoping we could see Rose at the end of this season, but other than references to her, I haven't seen a whole lot that points to her showing up. Which is very sad and I don't like it.
Karen
is going to watch next week, but isn't getting her hopes up for anything too exciting...
I guess we really CAN'T get our hopes up
Date: 2007-06-27 01:00 am (UTC)Then there is the whole idea of the Doctor and Martha living unhappily in a flat in the 1960's...or the idea of Joan coming along while it is made crystal clear in canon that he doesn't love her...but only wants to TRY to rebuild what he'd had as John Smith...and THEN she rejects him in the same way that Martha will reject him...in a way that Rose never would. Making it clear that what he's lost in Rose can't be replaced. Everything about this season has made that clear.
The only open question is...to what purpose was this made clear to us? If it was only about Martha...I do doubt that we would have seen Rose in Utopia. I think that we could have had her referenced...but not shown. Shown...as Julie Gardner points out in The Runaway Bride commentary...takes the audience too far back IF what you want is to move forward. I say that Russell doesn't want to move forward at all. But then...I say a lot of things that turn out to be hooey. ;->
Rae