The End of My Doctor Who Happiness
Nov. 16th, 2006 04:00 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
rabid1stDon't even try to talk me out of it!
Now is the time for patting my head and offering me cyber sympathy. I am stewing in depression and despair and I have cast out hope. I went to David Tennant Dot Com and (as I had expected would happen soon) the new companion is featured for Children in Need. Yes, I knew it was coming. No, that doesn't make me feel any better about it.
SIGH!
I know, I know...the world marches on...time and tide and all that rubbish. I heard Sarah Jane's little speech about the circle of life ever turning and I know many people are thrilled to see the new horizon ahead. But I wanted more time with Rose. And I still do. I want her and Ten to appear on Torchwood. I want a feature film reunion. I simply cannot work up any excitment about the new girl. She fills me with a sense of abiding dread. And I fear my beloved show will never be the same again. I want to watch S3 for David...but can my poor heart bear to see him smiling happily down on a non-Rose face? I don't know.
SIGH!
Rae
Now is the time for patting my head and offering me cyber sympathy. I am stewing in depression and despair and I have cast out hope. I went to David Tennant Dot Com and (as I had expected would happen soon) the new companion is featured for Children in Need. Yes, I knew it was coming. No, that doesn't make me feel any better about it.
SIGH!
I know, I know...the world marches on...time and tide and all that rubbish. I heard Sarah Jane's little speech about the circle of life ever turning and I know many people are thrilled to see the new horizon ahead. But I wanted more time with Rose. And I still do. I want her and Ten to appear on Torchwood. I want a feature film reunion. I simply cannot work up any excitment about the new girl. She fills me with a sense of abiding dread. And I fear my beloved show will never be the same again. I want to watch S3 for David...but can my poor heart bear to see him smiling happily down on a non-Rose face? I don't know.
SIGH!
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-16 08:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-11-16 08:49 pm (UTC)I, too, have accepted it. I even feel good vibrations for Freema and David. But...I really think I may stop watching, too. Move on to something else for awhile. Rose is why I loved the show...or specifically...the Doctor/Rose mutual adoration society. It was so very refreshing in the face of constant couple angst and despair...and it bothers me to know that I hope now for despair...because I feel it myself...when I know Rose wouldn't want him to be unhappy. SIGH!
Rae
possibly identifying too closely with these characters to move on just now. ;->
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Date: 2006-11-16 08:54 pm (UTC)Thanks for the lovely rose.
Date: 2006-11-17 04:09 am (UTC)As for my writing...yes...it depends on me being close to the characters...and I don't want to think of the Doctor moving on...because my Doctor was the one who said, "Oh, I'll get back, Rose is up there." I just can't conceive of him giving up on her when he knows where she is at a fixed moment in time...Bad Wolf Bay...and he knows that she loves him and isn't about to have a normal life with Mickey and his babies.
It doesn't fit my image of the Doctor in any incarnation for him to give up on his ideals. And Rose is an ideal...the perfect companion. The one he intended to be with until the end of her life. He does the impossible...that's what makes him the Doctor...it's just going to take a bit of time. But I don't want to believe he would 'move on' to the next person in line as Sarah Jane indicated he would. Sarah Jane...got left behind...Rose was snatched away...there is a difference there.
Rae
Re: Thanks for the lovely rose.
Date: 2006-11-17 05:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-11-19 11:51 pm (UTC)That said, I think you put it brilliantly:
possibly identifying too closely with these characters to move on just now
YES. One of the things I've loved about the show so far is how easy it has been to identify with the characters. Thus, I've become all emotionally attached to them and it hurts to say goodbye. Gah.
I haven't really been able to write much of ANYTHING since Doomsday. And I don't know if I'll ever be able to write Martha.
But I guess all I can do is wait and see. I do trust that RTD and company will put out a brilliant product, but oh, how I will miss Rose. Always. Not only for herself but for her interaction with the Doctor. *sigh*
Luckily, I have excellent fic like yours with which I can still get my Ten/Rose fix.
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Date: 2006-11-16 08:24 pm (UTC)Hello, Queenie
Date: 2006-11-16 11:48 pm (UTC)Hmmm! I still have BSG but it is leaving me cold. Truthfully, I could easily have done two more seasons of the Doctor and Rose enjoying each other's company. I'm not the sort that needs sex scenes or even references. I would have been happy with the level of devotion they were already exhibiting.
Except I would like a kiss without duress. Not a huge amount of macking...but just...something tender and sweet every now and again. Drat the BBC and their obsessive censors. :Rabid shakes fist in the general direction of England: My dream is we get a Doctor/Rose movie with Billie and David and that kiss. I would go see it 10 times, dragging everyone I know, and still buy the Special Edition DVD.
Rae
Re: Hello, Queenie
Date: 2006-11-17 01:06 pm (UTC)Truthfully, I'm not getting any fodder from BSG either. I guess I'm just enjoying the show more. Currently, plodding through a painfully long Harry Potter story.
A movie would be very nice. We can hope right?
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Date: 2006-11-16 08:47 pm (UTC)Looked at another way
Date: 2006-11-16 09:15 pm (UTC)Rae
Re: Looked at another way
Date: 2006-11-17 02:53 pm (UTC)aw, rae. *pet*
Date: 2006-11-16 09:14 pm (UTC)i haven't really had to confront the absolute reality of seeing martha in the next season of dw. i'm kind of dreading it.
aw. let's have a bit of a snuggle over here. i'll bring the kleenex. :'(
Snuggles against your shoulder
Date: 2006-11-16 09:28 pm (UTC)Bit of advice...don't go to David Tennant dot com...or you will have to confront reality...and who wants to do that. I'm still hoping for one more smidgeon of love/hope at Christmas.
Rae
*sniffle*
Date: 2006-11-16 10:15 pm (UTC)i have no intention of going to said website at the moment. i do *not* need to see it. :[
goddamn it, if there is no rose grieving time for the doctor, i am going to be severely pissed off. doctor\rose otp!
Giving Thanks
Date: 2006-11-16 11:43 pm (UTC)And...I would hope there is a grieving time for Rose...historically, it IS already significant that they are doing a companion-free episode. That has only happened once before...and I believe it was after Sarah Jane.
On one hand...I know the show must go on...even to secure Rose's place in it...it must go on. And I desire that as well. I want David Tennant's Doctor to have a good long run. He's wonderful in the role.
But on the other hand, I'm not sure but they should let the show end gracefully rather than run another ten years. Because eventually...it just gets old...and the Doctor could use a little happy. The mythos has been secured, I think...and the writing may well suffer in the face of RTD splitting his attention with Torchwood.
But beyond that I wonder if the show can hold its own with adult fare. What I mean is...I can't tell if the episodes are so fantastic...or if I simply enjoyed Rose discovering the Doctor's world and making it a bright, happy place for him again. Was my fascination with the show simply a brief return to my childhood...? Looking back on the stories, listening to my friends mock the plotting I am forced to admit it probably was. So, it's okay for me to move on now...and let the next generation build memories. I'll always have Rose.
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-16 09:34 pm (UTC)I'll be counting on you...
Date: 2006-11-17 02:31 am (UTC)Rae
thanking you for not saying it. ;-D
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Date: 2006-11-17 12:00 am (UTC)You know...I keep telling myself...
Date: 2006-11-17 02:34 am (UTC)Which...paradoxically...makes me happy...because if they just accept that they probably shouldn't have a companion/Doctor love story...they can go on with a Doctor in mourning, missing her as much as we do...only being British about it, of course. It will make me happy and it will make all of those noromos happy, too. But I still would like to see them reunited in some way.
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-17 01:26 am (UTC)I will still watch S3 for the love of Doctor 10, but le sigh... it won't be the same without Rose.
See? I do love Tennant's Doctor
Date: 2006-11-17 02:39 am (UTC)None of this is to reflect on Freema. She's undeniable lovely and I wish her no ill...I'm just not sure I can stomach her character being where Rose should be. Oh, well, it will air in England before it airs here anyway. So, I will be able to avoid anything I don't want to watch.
Thank you for your kind support in my moment of cyber-despair. :hugs:
Rae
Re: See? I do love Tennant's Doctor
Date: 2006-11-17 03:44 am (UTC)I'm off to Cardiff for the weekend, and it will be interesting to talk to fans about how they see things going - also we do have the first sight of Freema as the new companion tomorrow night in some mysterious Children In Need links they have said to expect on the show. Freema is also going to go to the CIN concert on Sunday, so I'll report back to y'all in an unbiased way. I have to be honest, I've been a Who fan for years, and I was delighted that the show was coming back, and LOVED Eccleston in the role, I was devastated that he was leaving - luckily I had been a fan of Tennant for a couple of years so I knew it was in good hands - but it's still difficult. Don't give up, I don't think RTD would allow Martha to take the place of Rose, that would sully Rose's memory. I dunno about us seeing Rose again - it's a nice dream. As the Doctor says, never say impossible!
I always used to cry when there was a new comapnion on Who - I always hated the new ones at first.
Don't let it stop you loving the show, love it for what it has given you and what it will give you.
I appreciate the pep-talk, Squee
Date: 2006-11-17 03:58 am (UTC)What captured my attention for this new run was the emotional aspect of the show. I'm interested in the Doctor's lonliness and his mourning for his people...now for Rose. But I doubt they will address that very much...I fear they will just go on telling stories about monsters and having a grand adventure. Good for kids but not enough, I think, to keep me watching. We will see. I am aching just now in my Rose loving heart and so there is little appeal for me in knowing other people love Martha and she's going to be wonderful. But maybe after I see Runaway Bride I will change my mind. Maybe in a year or more when we finally get S3 in America...I will be over MY mourning and ready for new adventures.
Rae
Re: I appreciate the pep-talk, Squee
Date: 2006-11-17 04:08 am (UTC)I actually have faith in RTD that he is enough of a fanboy to want to investigate the loneliness of the Doctor, he's done it more than anyone elsehas so far I think.
I don't know if you saw/read the transcript from The Ross show where Catherine Tate was asked about Runaway Bride? Sounds like there will be some Doctor introspective/Rose stuff. RTD loves Rose, there's hope there.
BP really wants to come back as well, let's not forget that.
I'm assuming you mean 20 pages?
Date: 2006-11-17 04:21 am (UTC)Rabid not exactly Marine material. And I didn't see the Tate clip. I should go look for it. I did see Billie say several times she would come back for a film or whatever. So, I have some hope for an end of David's run reunion. I also have faith in RTD. More than any other creator/writer working today...because I see the fanboy in him.
But...if I was in his place...I would feel the obligation of all that history behind me. I would want to secure the franchise. Make sure the Doctor goes on and on. And I wouldn't want to be the one who stopped Doctor Who cold by creating a companion you couldn't come back from.
That said, he may well have created a companion I can't come back from. :lol:
I feel the best way to secure the franchise for me is to honor Rose's place as the beloved. It creates a greater air of mystery around the Doctor and there are many other reasons to love a companion than how much she belongs with the Doctor. I mean...I loved Jake...and Ida...and Zach...and Mickey and Mrs. Muir. And none of them were the Doctor's soulmate. So, its not like there aren't companion choices I would accept...and I do hope Martha will be one of them.
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-17 02:46 am (UTC)I wish that the seasons weren't so short - 13-14 episodes just doesn't give you enough time to allow the Doctor to properly grieve. I hope they'll at least time skip. I could understand the Doctor picking up a new companion after, say, a decade or two, rather than immediately. He said himself that he was planning to go it alone (at least for a while). It might be jarring for us, but at least it would make more sense.
Anyway, I hope for the film or mini-series, too. And I'd love to see Ten and Rose pop up on Torchwood! Anything to team them up again. *sigh*
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Date: 2006-11-17 03:46 am (UTC)I was quite distressed when a buddy of mine in Australia said she's going to have a crush on the Doctor and kiss him...that's just wrong and it probably put me off of her more than I would have been in the general course of things.
It is a shame the seasons are so short because we really are left almost feeling they never got to address half of the things they needed to address with Rose. Of course, that's all to the good for the BBC as they can use book proceeds to fund the show's production with very little overhead. So, an appetite for more Rose/Doctor is a good thing...and a Doctor loyal to Rose has one very obvious perk for the censors at the BBC...it explains why he's not humping every one of those beautiful girls he carts around. Sure, he's alien but we can get around THAT...but...loyalty to his lost beloved...that's an ideal and very like him. In some ways it make him even more alluring.
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-17 04:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-11-17 04:23 am (UTC)SIGH!
Rae
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Date: 2006-11-17 10:29 pm (UTC)I think I've read that there will be some demonstration of the Doctor grieving over Rose's loss, and mentions of her in more than just the Christmas special.
Sigh.
Dr. + Rose = <3
Date: 2007-01-28 08:41 pm (UTC)Here's how I look at it. I LOVED the 9th doctor. I never thought I could learn to accept a different doctor. He's so different. And he gives Rose no lovin's, after 9 gives her that super wonderful kiss! But. He grew on me. Rose, well...it won't be the same without her, for sure. I adore her. I just do. But perhaps I can learn to accept the new companion some day. That, and...well, the Doctor does 3 impossible things before breakfast. I hold out hope that some day the impossiblity of him coming back to her might be over ruled by the fact that they totally belong together. I mean, she freaking works at Torchwood now! That's just inter-dimensional access waiting to happen.
Ok...no more rambling. I need caffeine.
Re: Dr. + Rose = <3
Date: 2007-01-29 11:39 am (UTC)In some ways...because I love Rose/Doctor so much...I want Martha to work even more than other people...because I really don't want the love to be the downfall of the show. However, I don't think I can tolerate even a suggestion of UST between Rose/Ten...nor can I really enjoy the show if they take away what you said there...that the Doctor can do 3 impossible things before breakfast...or that he's a breed apart from ordinary fickle hearted people...I like to think of the Doctor as the gold standard of idealism. And, though it is completely out of fashion these days, loyalty in love, fidelity, is one of my ideals.
Rae
Re: Dr. + Rose = <3
Date: 2007-01-29 05:01 pm (UTC)