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...like we need a new theme for the LJ...and I need something to post about other than Doctor Who.

I know it will be hard for some of you to see me let go of the reins like this. You are used to the daily pony posts and you are asking yourself..."What about Gum? Will you ever finish it? And shouldn't that Wild Geese sequel see the light of day? And don't you have something to say about RTD? Something really cutting about his talents or personality or manner of eating asparagus?"

Nah! I surely would have pledged to do one of those things five years ago. But if there is one thing this illness of mine is teaching me is that I have to pick and choose where I spend my limited resources. I have very little energy and a whole lot of pain and stiffness and wooly headedness to contend with every day.

The Doctor and Rose provided me several years of comfort and distraction. And, thanks to my finale fix-it fic, they are still with me in my head...still having a grand time, running about saving the day on Pete's World. Many of you have also been great sources of uplifting support. I am content with that. RTD did ruin the SHOW for me though, because, in my view, he ruined the Doctor as a heroic character. I am definitely a bit peeved at him for taking the show down a very long road when he had no idea how to successfully complete the journey. No regeneration to a new actor or new writer's vision will ever bring the Doctor back for me now. But it is interesting that RTD ruined my longest running fandom by giving me my OTP. When I first heard about Rose, before I saw an episode, I was furious at him for introducing a romance into Doctor Who, feeling (quite rightly as it turns out) that it would ruin the show for me. Yet, look how I fell for it. I fell so hard that I really don't think I will let go of Ten/Rose for a very long time.

But, you never know, I am quite fickle for an idealist. I have the ability to simply close off parts of my past and never visit them again. So, any Doctor Who Fic readers who might be expecting me to go on with something I've left half finished should talk to the BSG people and the Buffy people on my FList. Don't get me wrong, I would love to write DW fic again and I am thrilled that many of my readers from previous fandoms have stuck with me through the years, but they will certainly assure you I very rarely find the energy to work again in a fandom that I view as kaput.

They may also reassure you that when I forsee a show is going nowhere but downhill it is. :a big old hug for my BSG fanbase: For me, now, that is where Doctor Who has gone...into the bin...no reason to expend any further energy on wishing and hoping for better things from it.

Of course, having said all that...I may find that next year I get an urge to watch Matt and Moffat. Or next week Ten will tell me something quite interesting about his life as a human following this closure of the regeneration loop...and I will be one of those people still working on anachronistic fic long after the show goes off the air again. I am just saying I don't expect I will do either of those things, given my current health and my previous track record of abandoning all hope and fic when my reason for watching a show evaporates.

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Date: 2010-01-04 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs_roy.livejournal.com
Oh Rae, I’m so sad for you. You have such a great talent, it’s such a shame to see it go to waste, but I understand being ill, and what this does, so on that level, you have my support no matter what you decide to do.

I felt yesterday, like I wanted to throw the whole thing away, and not think about 10/Rose again, but then I thought, nah stuff it, I’m going to write fic, and people are going to love it, and I can be happy knowing that my 10/Rose will have their ending, in any and every way I see fit! Hee ..

Don’t give up just yet, Please! You’re fic is something super special.


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Date: 2010-01-04 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
I shall wait very patiently for the Donna metacrisis story.

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Date: 2010-01-04 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesuze.livejournal.com
It would be so sad if you didn't finish those stories (particularly Gum), but I understand your perspective. When it hurts too much or gets too disappointing, it's easier just to let it go.

Me, I'm one of those who goes down with the ship (no pun intended!). Even though I hated Six, I still watched every episode that aired. When they killed off the lead in "Beauty and the Beast", and yet somehow still kept producing episodes, I continued to watch (and deny, deny, deny! LOL). I apparently have a bit of a masochistic streak. ;)

You know that I know all about the issues with illness. Perhaps it is time to take a step back, take care of yourself, surround yourself with positive vibes. And you never know, you may get the urge to write again. But if not...that's okay, too. *hugs*

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Date: 2010-01-04 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com
Yes, I can certainly see that you may be over-invested right now and need to take a step back. But don't leave in the spirit of being hurt and wanting to hug it all to yourself. Stay friends, find other things to talk about and to write about - the world is full of beautiful things and, when you feel up to it, you write beautifully about them.

And I stand by what I said a couple of days back, totally - you don't have a duty to keep writing about a particular show or couple, but everybody who is able to write openly about hope rather than fashionable cynicism has something very important to say and share with a weary old world.

Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

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Date: 2010-01-04 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Aww! Cat! Please understand I didn't post this as a way to hug the hurt to myself and be bitter. I put this post up to warn those who are expecting me to go on writing Doctor Who that I probably won't be doing that. I never have continued writing in any fandom that I moved on from psychologically.

It's just a fact of who I am as a person. If something doesn't work out, I generally lament it and rage a bit and then I am over it completely. I feel slightly differently about Rose/Ten than I ever have about any other couple I've shipped...simply because I do not think there has ever been a couple more ideally suited to one another portrayed on serial television. Usually, at least in American TV, we have to swallow a boatload of Unrequited Sexual Tension and manufactured angst...much like that final scene in JE.

I have considered how I might look at Ten 2 as Eleven and simply cut him off from the Doctor entirely or have a regenerative loop that does what the Ten 2 people hope it does. But all of that is just me settling the fandom away in mothballs. It is not something I will invest in and write...even though I agree with you that the fandom still needs people who write openly about hope. And I am very thankful that you and a few others would rather I not give up the ship.

I believed that Rose would not give up on Ten and that he continued to be her Doctor...after the aborted Regeneration...but it possible that he did not continue to be HER Doctor after the metacrisis. That is when he begins to make decisions that seem a bit crazy...and so...perhaps Ten was the one who did split off and was unstable. But that only works if somehow his NEXT regeneration has stabilized him. Maybe that is why it is so very flamboyant, he needed to rebuild so much of his core.

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Date: 2010-01-04 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com
I'm going to be very postmodern about this and say that it's in the nature of this particular show to regard whatever is broadcast as a template for our own imaginings - just one timeline, one way it could have gone.

We're bound to get emotionally invested in what actually gets transmitted, if only because it's human nature to want to see our fantasies embodied by gorgeous people like David and Billie to soaring Murray Gold music (although actually I longed for them to go out on "That's when he told her (that he loved her)" by the Proclaimers, but that's just me.

But it's not a religion. What we saw isn't the only story we're allowed to imagine or believe. I think one of the reasons they leave things like the Woman inconclusive is so that fans will run with it. Ditto the notorious "You're not!" remark.

There's a difference between being a purist and being a fundamentalist. I am very cross, for reasons you already know, that something so inconsistent got transmitted as a prime time narrative. I'm also struggling with feeling (probably quite irrationally) betrayed by David Tennant, but that's what happens when you put people on a pedestal - he's just doing his job. And in the end, it's a spiritual thing - I think there should be stories that are emotionally and spiritually realistic rather than brutally honest. It's a tough call with DW because it's completely crackheaded in terms of plot and set up but it's always tried to have some emotional depth. So we expect the form that Shakespeare et al called "romance" - when there's a sense that there is some benevolent force in control, a divinity that shapes our ends - we handwave the plot probability as long as the emotional story resonates with us.

But, like any critic, I can see that there are other ways of reading it and intelligent people subscribe to them, and that in the end my rage and passion is probably as much about me as about a TV show - if so, I'll probably transfer my loyalties somewhere else, or move into a different place emotionally. And either one is fine.

It's hard to see it now, but when we discussed the Pony we connected about something that goes deeper than DW - so if you reject DW that's fine, but don't throw out the pony, too!

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Date: 2010-01-04 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
It's hard to see it now, but when we discussed the Pony we connected about something that goes deeper than DW - so if you reject DW that's fine, but don't throw out the pony, too!

Oh, most definitely not. I will not throw out the Pony! The pony is needed, I think in the muddle of what passes for storytelling these days. It is needed because there should be a clear narrative line. It is even needed in the more romantic sense of a benevolent divinity that shapes our ends (as you note).

But the clear narrative line is really what matters to me. I can, I think, make Ten 2 and Rose work if I tweak the narrative line a little. Though it does mean a lot of suffering for Rose and Ten 2 initially...it could work if he is Eleven and simply cut off to die as I wished Ten to be removed. That might be simpler for me in dealing with what became of our on-air Doctor, too.

I think the reason people like my fiction...isn't because I give them a happy ending...I think it is because my fiction makes sense. I don't rewrite the characters to suit what I want to say or to have them reflect my view of the world. But that means I have a hard time with the Doctor as he now stands...because I don't like him very much and so I would have to rewrite him to suit me and my friends.

But yes, the pony is quite real, still, because the pony represents realism and romanticism united through storytelling. And that is one of my personal ideals.

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Date: 2010-01-04 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
I'm also struggling with feeling (probably quite irrationally) betrayed by David Tennant.

Me, too. David was a huge supporter of Ten/Rose. In the JE confidential, he couldn't quite reconcile the decisions of BWBII. Maybe he saw the ratings and decided he knew nothing about story telling, and just to act the script he was given instead of following his heart.

I also feel sorry on David's behalf. He has no clue what the script has done to the show he loves. At least we can discern between acting and writing, so we know it won't harm his career.

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Date: 2010-01-04 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com
Remember the JE solution has left open the option of DW movies. In the end he's a professional and under contract and you compromise and get on with it.

He's looking pretty good in Rex Is Not Yr Lawyer.

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Date: 2010-01-06 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
I think the betrayal I feel is more recent than that. At the end of the Waters of Mars confidential, David says three things the power-mad Doctor could do - bring back the Time Lords, put Donna's memories back and stop Rose from falling into the Void. To my mind, David sees these things as deeply emotional to the Doctor and still unresolved. He grieves for the loss of the Time Lords (how he chooses to remember them), he feels taking Donna's memories was wrong and he still wants to be with Rose.

So now I'm wondering if his and RTD's grief at leaving the show put the story integrity on the back burner.

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Date: 2010-01-04 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fidesangelus.livejournal.com
Speaking as someone who discovered your fic via BSG I have to admit that while I know the likelihood of you ever returning to finish Minotaur is practically non-existent I find when it comes your fics I am what you've created your readers to be, patient optimists. When shows fail our characters your fics provide an alternative of fixing the issue in a way that is more true to who we've come to understand the characters to be then the ending provided, like with your DW Ten/Rose fix-it fic. I lost hope of ever getting a true resolution but I knew it'd be okay because you'd promised a fix-it fic in the event the pony failed to arrive.

On a slightly more serious note I hope your health situation improves and all the unnecessary stress related to it gets worked out. ♥

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Date: 2010-01-04 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
There you go! This is what I mean. You patient optimists delight me. And shame me a bit, too. I wish I was a patient optimist, but I know that I carry in me this deep-seated cynical realist. People who read my fic and notice that it represents romantic idealism often believe I am a romantic. Over and over again people would say, "You just love Rose" or "You just want a happy ending because that's all you can see." And I would argue that I liked Rose because she is written to be liked on a lot of levels...for the Doctor to love her. I want this to end happily because it really was set up to end happily. The ending me got was an ending compromised to unfortunate circumstances...not the ending the story deserved.

Also, RTD did say that he was compromising all along. He said he did Doomsday because Rose and the Doctor had to be separated and he had written her to never want to leave. Then he does JE because he knows that no ordinary man would ever suit Rose and nobody of her acquaintance would be able to stop her from destroying the universe. But his underlying principle was always that he had to make the Doctor go on alone. So, he had to compromise his story to fit those circumstances. It is odd to me that he didn't...knowing that...find a compromise that would make more sense than the one he picked. But then, he also told us that he liked writing "the Doctor in love"...so he kept on with that...as unrequited love.

Anyway, already figuring this all out is just hitting me as a waste of time. Though I do not feel that way about all of you...my readers...I do feel an obligation to go back and finish Minotaur for you...so you have a better story than Ron Moore gave you. It is just that my energy and enthusiasm for Kara/Lee was drained away by Moore. RTD, at least, has not drained away my enthusiasm for the Doctor and Rose. I just have to find a way to make Ten 2 work now...and to make all of Ten's suffering relative. Not sure I am going to do that in a fix-it fic...however...which is what I was warning the DW fans about here.

Thanks for the serious note, too. I hope that all the stress of looming homelessness and starvation is lifted by Social Security or by a settlemet of some kind with my insurance or by both. We really do like to torture the disabled in this country. Months of deliberation and denial while people totter on the brink of complete ruin, lose their homes, divorce, go without medical care or food? It makes no sense to me.

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Date: 2010-01-04 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com
Oh Rae, the bloody man's obsessed with unrequited love! He's said so himself. And I sometimes wonder if he's in love with David Tennant and that's why he can't bring himself to write a happy romantic ending for him.

It does sound like RL is being an absolute bitch to you at the moment. And our partners don't always understand our need/desire to transfer all that pain onto something fictional. They may even have a point.

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Date: 2010-01-05 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achuislemochroi.livejournal.com

And I sometimes wonder if he's in love with David Tennant and that's why he can't bring himself to write a happy romantic ending for him.

I hadn’t considered that possibility before, but now I have I think you could very well be right.

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Date: 2010-01-04 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maniacalshen.livejournal.com
And I would argue that I liked Rose because she is written to be liked on a lot of levels...for the Doctor to love her. I want this to end happily because it really was set up to end happily. The ending me got was an ending compromised to unfortunate circumstances...not the ending the story deserved.

This makes perfect sense. I'm not as adept a storyteller as you are, but just because I can't get an idea across as well doesn't mean I can't still recognize when one makes sense. A narrative is set up to work out in a certain variety of ways. And in some TV shows, the writers drive a giant semicircle around it and jump their scripts off a cliff.

In The Mist, you can kill the kid. It's a horror film about human nature. In Mean Girls, you make the mess so big that everyone has to learn from it. It's a teen girl movie about being, well, mean. And in a family-oriented, clearly-requited, years-long love story? You freaking let it work out somehow, or else why didn't you just kill Rose off at Doomsday?

Anyway, Rae, I understand distancing yourself from this fandom. I'm actually curious what you'll get into next, since your track record shows good taste (in my opinion). I used to be obsessed with Buffy! Personally, I'm starting to work on Supernatural. It might just stick.

Just keep updating about something, even if you don't have new episodes of Who you want to rant on. ;)

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Date: 2010-01-04 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com

I know that I carry in me this deep-seated cynical realist.

You know, I actually think this is part of why people like my fiction so much...I don't sugar-coat the romantic idealism. I make the characters as close to real as I can make them and only work with believable, logical progression of those characters we see on TV.

Amazingly...this could be exactly why Rose/Ten are still bubbling around in my heart and head, too. Because if they can do the impossible...then nothing that happens in reality can stop them from succeeding...all we have to do as fans is figure out HOW they succeeded this time. I only wish RTD hadn't left us with both of them so very unhappy. But then...perhaps there is a logical reason for that...I am frankly...leaning towards a Ten 2 is Eleven solution...which makes the TV Eleven...Twelve.

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Date: 2010-01-04 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asahifirsa.livejournal.com
Sometimes it's necessary to step back and take a deep breath to see where you stand. At least it's not as bad as BSG, right? :) BSG is the one show that killed all my love for it in one big swoop, but I'm glad that I still can love DW after this.

As your fix-it fic showed there's always plenty of "not on screen" ways to get what we want with DW, and I'm grateful for that.

Somehow I believe that DW has the strength to survive your current frustration given time. I know this show only for short 1 1/2 years, but I have faith in it.

So just take your time and if you come back, I'd be happy, if you don't I'm sure you'll find something new that I'll enjoy reading about :)

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Date: 2010-01-04 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwho.livejournal.com
I'm sorry to hear this, but I completely understand. I know this isn't just a reaction to End of Time, but to the way RTD has changed who the Doctor is and what the show is. We've talked before about what Doctor Who used to be, and I know you felt like I did about some of the directions they chose to go in with characters and plotlines. Since we didn't get anything like the ending I needed to be reassured that my Doctor is still there, I won't be watching any more episodes either. But I'm going to keep up with the fandom so long as people are writing good 9 and 10 and 4 and 7 stories. I absolutely understand why you probably won't participate in the future, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed anyway that we don't lose your amazing talent. After all, somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere the tea is getting cold, and somewhere else plot bunnies are waiting to attack. =)
*hugs*
Hazel

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Date: 2010-01-05 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Thank you, Hazel;

I knew someone would have a perfect understanding of my feelings. And here you are! :snicker: It is that my Doctor is now dead. RTD killeded him. :grin: You can't regenerate out of that or have a new writer. Well...I can't because I am too much of a realist to pretend something that DID happen, didn't happen. But all that said...as you say...I still do have a lot of love left for Rose/Ten and my Doctor of old...which sort of includes all of them. Yes, even Six! I did watch him through the Trial. I only got a little upset when it was him & MEL I had to deal with...and even Six didn't infuriate me as much as Ten did this last year.

Almost, as I said, I am tempted to come up with a way that Ten 2 is the Doctor at this point. But in my heart, I hate to see Ten suffer so...and then...just die. I would have to explain that somehow...and somebody...is not the Doctor.

I appreciate you stopping by to offer me your complete understanding, which is not to say that I don't appreciate everyone offering me hugs and good wishes...because I really do feel better knowing you are ALL out there wishing me well.

Rae

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Date: 2010-01-05 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwho.livejournal.com
And here you are! :snicker:
Glad to be of service, ma'am. =)

Yes, even Six!
Oh wow. You're better than I am then. Six really tested me, and I can't swear I've seen all his episodes even now. If it weren't for the awesomeness of Ace, I might have lost interest all together long before now.

You can't regenerate out of that or have a new writer.
Agreed. And it's not even just Ten that's been screwed with. It wasn't enough to ruin Ten, you had to take Eight and Nine and the whole of Gallifrey down with you? What the hell was that about - Eight's a stone cold killer and all of Nine's angst and struggle are cheapened. I haven't read very many people's reaction posts, but I was absolutely appalled by the folks who didn't get why it was such a bigfuckingdeal that the Time Lords apparently went insane and the Doctor chose to kill them, or that Rassilon (of all people) was pursuing immortality. I think that's when it really struck me that my Who was gone - no one really seemed to care about that.

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Date: 2010-01-04 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princessblue791.livejournal.com
Still, that said, I can't help but dare you to write your way out of Rusty's paper bag. 11 seems a bit more daring. Perhaps it would mean nothing to him to pierce the barrier of reality to get to Rose.

When they asked Moffat if he'd bring her back, he said "maybe".

I don't know what annoys me more; the ending or the fact that a Rusty practically told me to fuck off.

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Date: 2010-01-05 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
I know what it was for me...Rusty telling everyone to fuck off. Back when CoE aired...I went over to the Torchwood boards just to console some people...because I knew how badly he'd hurt them. I had hoped that Torchwood and JE were blips simply because S1 and S2 were so perfect.

But with a bit of an attitude adjustment, when I look at S1 and S2...and I imagine them as "THE END"...I can see they would have both ended tragically as well. I'm sure Rose would have died from the Bad Wolf Power...and Nine would have regenerated...into someone we never saw. If Doomsday had been it...then Rose and Ten would have parted in sorrow. I do think RTD did the best he could, given his temperment...he told EVERYONE to fuck off...but he did give the Rose/Ten shippers a bit more to cling to than he gave anyone else. The poor Martha/Ten or Donna/Doctor shippers really got shafted.

Rae

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Date: 2010-01-05 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
I have found an icon that is helping me:



Also, an amusing poll on what you'd like your last words to be:

http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwho/5492684.html

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Date: 2010-01-05 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
I have to agree with that poll. Nine had the best final words. Four would be next in my opinion. He's the DOCTOR for heaven's sake.

And I have stared at that icon you've posted for a time myself. I think I don't care for the "I think I love you" part of it. They both look disgruntled to me...still. But I might still be able to work with Ten 2...very late to the party...because I do not believe Rose's Doctor was alive at all. I believe the Ten we followed was definitely not her Doctor either, at this point. So...then...NEITHER Ten nor Ten 2 nor Eleven would be Rose's Doctor...because he died.

Taken from that standpoint...if Rose could be convinced that Her Doctor had died...then I suppose SHE at least might find some happiness with the one that remained.

Rae
who was given some Rose/Ten2 peace by the finale it seems...even though I am not sure I can follow the new Who...but I think I can because he's NOT Rose's Doctor either.

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Date: 2010-01-05 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
From the Twitter of Ben Cook, co-author of The Writer's Tale:

@whoatethetardis Nope, just paperback. Keep your original - it's a thing of a beauty. And it can be used as a doorstop.

It's bad when the lay person is distancing himself from RTD.

A gift for you...in the works

Date: 2010-01-05 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monkeybatz.livejournal.com
Rae,

Believe me, I agree that going back to Doctor Who fandom is something that I am probably not going to do. Not for a very long time at least, it's hard to watch 2005-2006 with out feeling pained since we already know the end.

However, I am going to make one last video that is Doctor Who related and it is my gift to you. The video will be a dedication to your ending, Ten 2 will switch with Ten. It will be emotional and heart breaking. I hope it gives you (and others..even me) a small fraction of comfort/closure. Thank you for guiding and inspiring us through these hard times, even if you never write about Doctor Who I will still be around reading.

Candi

Re: A gift for you...in the works

Date: 2010-01-06 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
A gift? For me?

That sounds fabulous. I am looking forward to weeping a flood of tears.

I am happy that my guiding light was not the will-o-wisp I instinctively feel it was. I nearly decided after Angel ended not to invest any more of my energy replotting for the people who have actual jobs in the entertainment industry. I am now going to try to stick to that pledge. The fact is I have no idea how some bozo with a television show is going to react to logical progression of narrative. Experience has taught me that he (is definitely a HE and) probably doesn't know such a thing exists.

Oh, well. I need to write my own stories anyway...if I ever have the energy again.

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Date: 2010-01-06 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astitchintime-9.livejournal.com
Love the new graphics ...and the Michael Bublé. However, I wonder if the Lady protests too much, methinks...? Because I can't help noticing the flock of birds (Wild Geese?) in the topframe. :-D

And it's probably me, but M.Bublé puts me in mind of New Who, somehow. Whenever I hear "(You're My Everything", I see a(n imaginary) Nine/Rose collage vid running through my mind. (FWIW, I see Ten set to Muse, mostly.)

So, I am not without hope. (Ironically.)

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Date: 2010-01-06 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightbeast.livejournal.com
My brain persists in trying to find the logic in the finale.

This blog said it finds closure, in that Davros broke the Doctor in saying humans sacrificed themselves so that he could keep his appearance. So giving up his life for Wilf makes some closure for the blog author.

I am aware it doesn't explain anything else, like why it's a willing sacrifice and yet he protests the regeneration, or why he's so fed up of losing everything to his longevity and yet continues to go through with the process (c/f Master refusing). It's such a confusing mess to me at the moment.

http://superpowersthatbe.blogspot.com/2010/01/end-of-time-part-2-or-how-being-human.html

I'm also having thinky thoughts about the Doctor's interactions when he's dying. He waits long enough for Martha and Mickey to see him. He has direct physical contact with Luke and waits for SJS to see him. He goes back in time and intentionally interacts with Geoff Noble although that is crossing his own timeline - surely Geoff would recognise him either at or after Donna's attempted wedding? Again with Jack he stands quite visibly and interacts with a note. But with Rose... I'm currently thinking he just wanted to watch from the shadows. Rose only notices him when he involuntarily gasps with pain.

Lisa

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Date: 2010-01-06 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Rose is far more important to him than Geoff Noble, so that makes some sense to me. Also, I don't know that Donna would have explained all about the Doctor to her Dad. She didn't seem to have explained it to her mom until necessary. As I write that I am suddenly overcome with the idea that Wilf is the one because he's going to be killing him. I think that will taint some of my love of Wilf in rewatching those early S4 episodes.

This is why I sort of hold with the idea that RTD was very split on what to do about Rose and completely committed to the idea that the Doctor loved her to the end of his Ten life...because he does go out of his way to give Rose a special place...one that really will never be duplicated. Even if the Doctor does marry River Song...to me...this will always be a Doctor hollowed out by such a long period of torment that he is not the same man I knew from my early love of him.

Even if the 3-fold man didn't split his id and ego and such into 3 distinct beings (and we can certainly count the bit in Donna as part of the 3 of him now)...then as this person remarks...Davros broke him over the self-sacrifice business. I had taken that exact perspective on JE soon after, if you recall. It is just that perspective really doesn't account for a lot of the rest of the story. The Doctor has repeatedly risked his life for humanity and I don't think he ever refused until that point. To me, this left turn into egocentric Doctor seems to be a deeper manifestation of something within the Doctor's core personality. But then...I'm sure that it is possible that RTD gave his motivation very little thought at all. So...:shrug:...he just doesn't want to die...the Doctor likes Ten as much as we used to like him.

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Date: 2010-01-17 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] np-complete.livejournal.com
Well, a big HUG to you, my dear. You gave me much DW-related enjoyment and much to think about. I hope, as your health allows, you'll still continue to post, on whatever you please. I may have "met" you because of Disheveled, but your fic is far from the only thing I value about you!

*hug*

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Date: 2010-01-17 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Aww! How sweet! I am so happy to have met you as well. I always looked forward to your comments on Disheveled. And I am sure I will continue to be thrilled when I see your name pop up on my email alerts for future posting. That said, I do hope my health allows me to write something again...even a little fluffy ficlet now and again would be good at this point.

Rae

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