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rabid1stThe last few days, as you've probably noticed, I have posted about EoT part 1 as it applies to the Humperdinck. However, this particular quote is more Pony-esque. However, unfortunately, it does amount to a spoiler for The End of Time Part 1. So...proceed with caution if you haven't seen that episode, yet.
He said. RTD said it. In the confidential..."The Time Lords are the greatest enemy the Doctor has ever faced."
And I imagine that he could be lying to us, so that we don't see the "magic surprise" coming. But again...I am so very proud of him in this moment for being MY kind of Doctor Who fan.
I'm Old School but not silly about it. Well, no, I am silly in that I am serious obsessive, obviously, but I stick to the canon and only elaborate on it as necessary. And that means I don't romanticize the Time Lords. I remember The War Games and The Deadly Assassins and Borusa and the Rani and The Death Zone from The Five Doctors.
And it is refreshing for me to listen to RTD pointing out that the Doctor is definitely NOT, nor has he ever been, a fan of his people. He doesn't like their indolence, their arrogance, their pomp or their lifestyle. He doesn't agree with them on much of anything and frequently rages against them. He rejects their Presidency and scoffs at their corruption. And it is more than fitting that he would outlive them. The Doctor is a survivor and has always been a Time Lord apart.
I think that he carries this guilt about surviving, that is compounded by his rejection of his people. It is sort of like having a dysfunctional relationship with a relative upto the day they die and then regretting the loss. But I do think it is time for the Doctor to cast that guilt off...not by becoming the Lonely God/Time Lord Victorious...but by realizing that the time of the Time Lords is past. They don't belong in the universe anymore, but some version of the Doctor might belong. The Time Lords died out for a reason. If they'd been meant to survive...more of them would have struck out on their own like the Doctor and the Master. But, sadly, most Time Lords were content to stay put...and they died in that spot they had moldered in for so many years. Yes, the Time War was certainly tragic for them...but RTD is right...they were constantly setting themselves against the good of the universe.
Of course, it could turn out that RTD is just kidding and he will gently mock me next week, by saying how the Doctor was always going to bring the Time Lords back. But I hope that he really is sincere about them being the enemby...and I hope he really does believe (and has believed from the very beginning) that the Time Lords no longer belong in Doctor Who, except as historical reference.
The reason this is pony positive is that it presents an alternative to the Doctor. HUMANS are important to the him, always have been, but he's never fully embraced that love. If he can accept the loss of his people, he can be with Rose...start over and have a family again. She's not less than him in any way. He's not a god. They are just two people who love one another. He can set aside what he's been mourning all this time as soon as he remembers that it isn't real. The Time Lords fundamentally disagree with the Doctor's personal viewpoint on life and how to live it. That is ultimately what killed them. The Doctor's future lies with the human race, those people who upon seeing a chasm...jump into it. He doesn't belong with those stuffy, pompous, useless Senators. He belongs with Rose Tyler...and his future should be as brother to Donna Noble. He can be a surrogate member of her family via Metacrisis.
Rae
He said. RTD said it. In the confidential..."The Time Lords are the greatest enemy the Doctor has ever faced."
And I imagine that he could be lying to us, so that we don't see the "magic surprise" coming. But again...I am so very proud of him in this moment for being MY kind of Doctor Who fan.
I'm Old School but not silly about it. Well, no, I am silly in that I am serious obsessive, obviously, but I stick to the canon and only elaborate on it as necessary. And that means I don't romanticize the Time Lords. I remember The War Games and The Deadly Assassins and Borusa and the Rani and The Death Zone from The Five Doctors.
And it is refreshing for me to listen to RTD pointing out that the Doctor is definitely NOT, nor has he ever been, a fan of his people. He doesn't like their indolence, their arrogance, their pomp or their lifestyle. He doesn't agree with them on much of anything and frequently rages against them. He rejects their Presidency and scoffs at their corruption. And it is more than fitting that he would outlive them. The Doctor is a survivor and has always been a Time Lord apart.
I think that he carries this guilt about surviving, that is compounded by his rejection of his people. It is sort of like having a dysfunctional relationship with a relative upto the day they die and then regretting the loss. But I do think it is time for the Doctor to cast that guilt off...not by becoming the Lonely God/Time Lord Victorious...but by realizing that the time of the Time Lords is past. They don't belong in the universe anymore, but some version of the Doctor might belong. The Time Lords died out for a reason. If they'd been meant to survive...more of them would have struck out on their own like the Doctor and the Master. But, sadly, most Time Lords were content to stay put...and they died in that spot they had moldered in for so many years. Yes, the Time War was certainly tragic for them...but RTD is right...they were constantly setting themselves against the good of the universe.
Of course, it could turn out that RTD is just kidding and he will gently mock me next week, by saying how the Doctor was always going to bring the Time Lords back. But I hope that he really is sincere about them being the enemby...and I hope he really does believe (and has believed from the very beginning) that the Time Lords no longer belong in Doctor Who, except as historical reference.
The reason this is pony positive is that it presents an alternative to the Doctor. HUMANS are important to the him, always have been, but he's never fully embraced that love. If he can accept the loss of his people, he can be with Rose...start over and have a family again. She's not less than him in any way. He's not a god. They are just two people who love one another. He can set aside what he's been mourning all this time as soon as he remembers that it isn't real. The Time Lords fundamentally disagree with the Doctor's personal viewpoint on life and how to live it. That is ultimately what killed them. The Doctor's future lies with the human race, those people who upon seeing a chasm...jump into it. He doesn't belong with those stuffy, pompous, useless Senators. He belongs with Rose Tyler...and his future should be as brother to Donna Noble. He can be a surrogate member of her family via Metacrisis.
Rae
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Date: 2009-12-27 11:29 am (UTC)For Gallifrey to return, essentially the Doctors story ends. We have a whole bunch of Time Lords, no need to follow the Doctor anymore. He needs to stand up to them once and for all, he has been running for far too long. I think this is also pony positive, because he will realise that to love Rose is not a curse, but a blessing. Like you say, it's his second chance, and they deserve it!
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Date: 2009-12-27 05:19 pm (UTC)I think that is essentially true. Other people disagree, of course, and point out that he could be redefined in opposition to them. And he certainly has had some great moments in Old School in opposition to the Time Lords. But the fact is that they are a better device than the sonic screwdriver if they actually were to do what the Doctor keeps claiming they did...keep the universe in order.
In that case, we wouldn't really NEED the Doctor anymore and he could just go back to being the fun-loving, adventure-seeking bloke of yesteryear. The problem with that is the Doctor Who of yesteryear wasn't the complex creature that we know today. He was magnificent in so many ways...but he didn't have the gravitas that he has now. RTD has made Doctor Who into serious television...and one of the devices he used to do that was to make the Doctor war damaged and alone. If the Time Lords return at this time...we will lose that edge.
Yes, the Doctor will still fundamentally disagree with his people. But that relationship becomes the story for some time. I think that there will definitely come a time when some writer of the future wants to tell THAT story. And then the Time Lords can return properly...because RTD is also right in saying that they have compassion and other strengths to balance their corruption. They aren't completely useless...but they would rob the current incarnation of the Doctor of much of his reason to exist and that would be a terrible burden to lay on Stephen Moffat at this juncture.
Of course, as I've said, I can't really second guess RTD...so he could do a complete about face in next week's confidential and point out that he and Stephen have been working for some time on how to recreate the Doctor with Time Lords around. :shrug:
Rae
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Date: 2009-12-28 01:26 am (UTC)And you're right. It's the stuff that Ponies are made of.