I'm going waaaaaaay back on my LJ

[rabid1st]

And reading a few posts from 2003 and early 2004. One struck me as very funny indeed. In 2004, I posted about a poem I'd written that was misunderstood by the people who read it, because it was from the plot of a "Doctor Who" story I'd never written. :GRIN: And look at me years later...writing away for Doctor Who!

I, also, posted a rant about "happy endings" which is very close to what I've recently been saying about the pony. It is refreshing to me, years later, that I turned out to be right about how Buffy ended (and what I said could also be directed toward the recent rumor of a resurrected Buffy Movie). It should also be noted that the gripe I have is very applicable to JE...which chose, truly, NOT to end the Rose/Ten story at all...but, instead, to give us lame sequel potential.

So...here...if you want to check out my feeling on happy endings vs. Hollywood endings...in a more coherent fashion than I've given lately...

http://rabid1st.livejournal.com/3193.html

Comments

[nightbeast.livejournal.com]

... telegraphs its "surprise" ending through out the movie...in scene after scene. We just don't pick up on it because we are cleverly misdirected. Misdirection is a skill. It is, in fact, a skill every writer should try to cultivate because it too can lead to a satisfying ending.

But all too often the TWIST ending is actually a tacked on ending, one that has NO SUPPORT in the preceding text. This does the story and the audience a tremendous disservice.

See? These thoughts are not new to you. It's not as if you've developed them because you're Ten/Rose irrational. ;-)

I caught a news story that RTD has moved to America and hopes to break into Hollywood. Here in the UK, we had this Prime Minister who abandoned the local people he served in favour of impressing the European Leaders. He effectively sold us out in order to impress his potential future employers. If RTD is going to Hollywood... I hope his belief in Ten/Rose is stronger than his Hollywood application form.

But, news of undermining a 46 year old show would impact negatively on RTD's future prospects. The wave of dissatisfaction will ripple before Matt and Moff take over. If Uncle Rusty knows what's good for him and good for the show, he'll give us a pony. He will always face flak from the minority of introducing romance to Doctor Who. But if he backs out of the Doctor's "one adventure he's always wanted" he'll also get flak for bad story telling, which will further fuel the anti-romance brigade.

I'm trying to think what Tennant said a while ago in DWM... I think it was "We can have the Doctor kiss Reinette and it doesn't destroy the show." Tennant's arguably the most popular Doctor to date, and he's a fanboy. He knows the show can take the romance without destroying it, even as he describes the Doctor as (fairly) asexual. Even if people don't listen to or understand story telling tools, they will hear out what Tennant says.

Besides, if he doesn't give us a pony, we won't care. It will be a clean break for us, because with RTD and Tennant leaving there is no further opportunity for resolution.

Lisa

This is how I see it...

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Besides, if he doesn't give us a pony, we won't care. It will be a clean break for us, because with RTD and Tennant leaving there is no further opportunity for resolution.

In order to fit in with my criteria listed in the post I site above, the romance has to be contained. The easiest way to do this is to keep it between Ten and Rose. If we look at it that way...if we look at Rose as a vital part of the Doctor's life...but not the end of his life...then satisfactory resolution of the storyline should happen before Tennant leaves.

And we have all we need in this split personality twist RTD gave us...as long as 10.5 is the Doctor we go forward with. As long as 10.5 is Eleven. And NOT in love with Rose Tyler. Then, we can see that Rose is only a PART of the Doctor's very long life...and not the sum total of it. The real failure in RTD's plan is that he didn't transfer the love to 10.5. Had he done what he apparently, originally intended...and had the hand RETURN to Rose...after a regeneration...then it would have been as if the love transfered to her.

What he did was screw up and keep the love with the guy that leaves her. That makes no sense at all. Also, it leads to this very Doctor we are seeing mope about...and to a far less satisfying conclusion...that says, "Well, life sucks but you get used to it. It's not like the Doctor doesn't make these people better people, yeah?"

And no, I've never been supportive of Ten/Rose because I was a batchip shipper...I've supported them because RTD consistently supported them in his story.

I was once a Kara/Lee shipper from Battlestar Galactica, but I gave up on them in S3...because Ron Moore had taken them to a place where I could no longer say they had a chance at a believable story as a couple. I also was a Grissom/Sara shipper...there...while I believed the writers would eventually give us the happy ending...I am not sure that the story supported that ending. And...had Ianto dying in Jack's arms (or Stephen's sacrifice) been the only Torchwood death in the last year...I would agree that it was a legitimate ending for us to go through...because it underlined Jack's continual losses.

Rae
figuring Torchwood went Hollywood...so maybe Doctor Who will not.

[wickedgillie.livejournal.com]

OH, I wish I had known you back in the Whedonverse's prime. Knowing what I knew then, and then what we all know now, I would have really appreciated seeing that argument. I'm curious; how did you feel about Joss' actual execution of his finale? Other than not getting one final kiss, even a chaste one, between Buffy and Spike, and my upset at Anya dying (still miffed 6 years later!), I was very satisfied and also feel he met your directives spelled out in your pre-finale post.