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rabid1stI'm watching Stolen Earth...for that lovely "Yeah!" that is the Doctor's attitude about Rose in a nutshell. The universe is coming to an end, he says, and Donna is sure it's bad...but Rose is coming back...and isn't that good?
But here's something that, to me, is at the core of why Rose of all the Doctor's many companions...is the one that he truly needs. As the Daleks send out their message to the human race we see the Doctor's companions. There is immortal Jack and his Torchwood crew who fight aliens all the time. There is Sarah Jane and her genius son and their super computer. They fight aliens all the time, too. There is UNIT and Martha Jones and all of THEIR experience and firepower and willpower. And everyone...EVERYONE...gives up and says...we're dead.
Not Rose! Rose...is certainly afraid, her eyes are sparkling with tears, her lower lip is trembling. But...SHE gets up...shoulders her weapon...heads out into the street...looks up at the Dalek ship...turns her back on it...and walks away as fire rains from the heavens.
THAT is Rose. She's not intimidated. She's not one to give up and say, "We're dead!" She's going to find her Doctor. If, on the way, she has to kick some Dalek ass...so be it. She stood her ground against the Beast and the Isolus and the Dalek Emperor...and the Doctor. All beings that took a toll on the Doctor, himself. She's teased Queen Victoria. It's that Doctorish attitude she has...the unstoppable hubris that simply does not flinch in the face of overwhelming odds. It is quite literally the stuff of legends. Like in Doomsday, eye to eyestalk with the Dalek...she said, "Do you get that? The God of all Daleks and I destroyed him! HA!"
There is a reason Davros (or Dalek Caan) ordered the two Doctors and ROSE confined, while the other companions were free. Because Rose is as dangerous as the Doctor. Caan knows this. We should know it, too. If we were paying attention to the Doctor saying, "If there is one thing I believe in...I believe in her."
His belief was not misplaced. She took out the Beast for him. I know revisionist wankers try to pretend that this statement of the Doctor's was applicable to all companions. "He believes in them" as it were...but that isn't what he says...nor is he making any sort of broad companion statements...he is very particular...to stop the Beast...and the rocket...he must kill Rose. The Beast believes this threat will stop the Doctor...but the Doctor puts his faith in Rose.*
So do I! When I talk about the Pony...I am putting my faith in Rose. Or in the fact that Russell T. Davies wrote all of the important Rose episodes and lines and RTD seems to know Rose. And frankly...anyone who thinks Rose can be sealed off and forced to live out a happy, domestic life while her Doctor pines away about how alone he is...doesn't know Rose Marion Tyler!
Rae
Oh, and here's another little tidbit about the Subwave Network...it is a sentient piece of software designed to seek out anyone who can help find the Doctor. And it reaches across/through sealed dimensional pockets...or ALMOST. Everyone is "calling the Doctor" and ROSE...says, "So am I!" But it is her, "Find me" to him that gets through...just like he got through to her in Doomsday. And he knows she's there..."Everyone but Rose." and when Davros is coming through, there is the Doctor's hopeful little, "Rose?" I'm saying...she can reach him, still...so that Ten 2 can be heard when he knock 4 times.
It's opportunity knocking, Doc, your own personal salvation! Answer!
*Of course, it is well past time that the Doctor makes a grand gesture of his own and goes to Rose...rather than constantly expecting HER to come to him. I mean, how many times must she do the impossible for this fella?
But here's something that, to me, is at the core of why Rose of all the Doctor's many companions...is the one that he truly needs. As the Daleks send out their message to the human race we see the Doctor's companions. There is immortal Jack and his Torchwood crew who fight aliens all the time. There is Sarah Jane and her genius son and their super computer. They fight aliens all the time, too. There is UNIT and Martha Jones and all of THEIR experience and firepower and willpower. And everyone...EVERYONE...gives up and says...we're dead.
Not Rose! Rose...is certainly afraid, her eyes are sparkling with tears, her lower lip is trembling. But...SHE gets up...shoulders her weapon...heads out into the street...looks up at the Dalek ship...turns her back on it...and walks away as fire rains from the heavens.
THAT is Rose. She's not intimidated. She's not one to give up and say, "We're dead!" She's going to find her Doctor. If, on the way, she has to kick some Dalek ass...so be it. She stood her ground against the Beast and the Isolus and the Dalek Emperor...and the Doctor. All beings that took a toll on the Doctor, himself. She's teased Queen Victoria. It's that Doctorish attitude she has...the unstoppable hubris that simply does not flinch in the face of overwhelming odds. It is quite literally the stuff of legends. Like in Doomsday, eye to eyestalk with the Dalek...she said, "Do you get that? The God of all Daleks and I destroyed him! HA!"
There is a reason Davros (or Dalek Caan) ordered the two Doctors and ROSE confined, while the other companions were free. Because Rose is as dangerous as the Doctor. Caan knows this. We should know it, too. If we were paying attention to the Doctor saying, "If there is one thing I believe in...I believe in her."
His belief was not misplaced. She took out the Beast for him. I know revisionist wankers try to pretend that this statement of the Doctor's was applicable to all companions. "He believes in them" as it were...but that isn't what he says...nor is he making any sort of broad companion statements...he is very particular...to stop the Beast...and the rocket...he must kill Rose. The Beast believes this threat will stop the Doctor...but the Doctor puts his faith in Rose.*
So do I! When I talk about the Pony...I am putting my faith in Rose. Or in the fact that Russell T. Davies wrote all of the important Rose episodes and lines and RTD seems to know Rose. And frankly...anyone who thinks Rose can be sealed off and forced to live out a happy, domestic life while her Doctor pines away about how alone he is...doesn't know Rose Marion Tyler!
Rae
Oh, and here's another little tidbit about the Subwave Network...it is a sentient piece of software designed to seek out anyone who can help find the Doctor. And it reaches across/through sealed dimensional pockets...or ALMOST. Everyone is "calling the Doctor" and ROSE...says, "So am I!" But it is her, "Find me" to him that gets through...just like he got through to her in Doomsday. And he knows she's there..."Everyone but Rose." and when Davros is coming through, there is the Doctor's hopeful little, "Rose?" I'm saying...she can reach him, still...so that Ten 2 can be heard when he knock 4 times.
It's opportunity knocking, Doc, your own personal salvation! Answer!
*Of course, it is well past time that the Doctor makes a grand gesture of his own and goes to Rose...rather than constantly expecting HER to come to him. I mean, how many times must she do the impossible for this fella?
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Date: 2009-04-25 02:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-04-25 03:03 am (UTC)Frankly, I do think that RTD is the one who is planning a big happy surprise for all of us...it is the most unexpected thing for him to do, after all.
And I hope HE has the ultimate faith in this wonderful love story he created...in this woman he designed to be a the Doctor's other-half.
Since her humanity makes her self-limiting...in canon...if not in fanon...there is no reason at all that RTD can't let the Doctor have this momentary fulfillment and then go on, a wiser, happier, better adjusted, but ultimately lonely Time Lord in 2010.
Or...as RTD put it in his book...the only reason the Doctor and Rose are not together this very minute...is because RTD didn't write it that way. And that's no reason at all...because he could have written it another way...the PROPER way...honoring the characters he so painstakingly created.
Rae
hoping that this time...given time...he's done our couple proud. I mean...COME ON...they were voted England's most romantic couple.
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Date: 2009-04-25 03:27 am (UTC)*sigh* I want my pony, Rae.
Yet another reason why giving us our Pony is the "right" thing to do.
Date: 2009-04-25 06:11 am (UTC)We are conditioned to expect a slack-ass or even malicious response to our loyalty. That is just wrong, btw. Arrogant of television writer/producers, if you ask me. They entice the audience in with the UST...the promise of fulfillment...then fail to fulfill. They point to these historic "failures" of shows in the past..."Moonlighting" is my favorite "classic failure" which every lame-ass writer points out. "Oh, after they got together...Moonlighting sank like a stone!"
How about THIS? How about...you had no stinking show at all? You only had UST...and so...when it was gone...you had nothing. On the other hand...there is Doctor Who. Doctor Who will go on beyond Rose Tyler's time...and David Tennant's...but not if hope is removed from the equation.
That is what the people who are saying..."You can't have a pony" are really saying. They are saying...well, there really is no hope that the Doctor can ever be happy or have a moment of weakness or need...or experience the wonder of love...because he has to be alone forever. Even though...that overlooks that he was still alone when Gallifrey was around...and he will be alone after Rose is gone...and after the Time Lords return in 2011*.
This central fish-out-of-waterness is part of who the Doctor is...and that really shouldn't be affected by Rose Tyler. Not in "Oh, don't let her be the woman he loves, because he can never love anyone" but in a "Loving her only makes him a better character...a more well rounded character...it's one little thing in a very long life."
Paradoxically, by not recognizing (and in RTD's case perhaps not fully exploring) the fundamental potential of Rose Tyler...we essential cut the Doctor off from hope of any change. He becomes stagnant and unwilling to face his fears...resigned to his lonely fate...and that's not good for our hero.
Rae
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Date: 2009-04-25 03:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-04-25 04:35 am (UTC)Word.
Everything you said. You know I stand in perfect agreement.
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Date: 2009-04-25 04:37 am (UTC)I don't believe Rusty is going to finish the Doctor & Rose story properly (my opinion of "properly" mirrors yours), but I heartily admire your optimism.
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Date: 2009-04-25 06:21 am (UTC)But I also am not willing to totally chuck RTD and his work in the bin, yet. Because he is still on message in Planet of the Dead. The Doctor's song is ending...and he still can't have anyone with him because everyone is lost. And I do think that view...that he's LOST Rose...is a very interesting one for him to take...given she's right where he left her. He has to view her kiss of Ten 2 as her needing to hear the words...words he didn't think needed to be said. Part of his belief in Rose...was "Oh, she knows!"
Her needing to hear the words...never mind responding to them with kissing...might well have signalled to the Doctor that he'd "Lost" her. Because all he really asked...was for her to make Ten 2 "better." She had to stay locked away with Ten 2...because he couldn't be left on his own..."He needs you." And "That's me when we first met...and you made me better." The Doctor could very well be saying just that...that he wants Rose to make Ten 2 better again. And he may not be thinking about Donna's "But it's better than that...don't you see what he's trying to give you? Tell her!" plan at all.
Rae
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Date: 2009-04-25 05:29 am (UTC)She's every bit the Doctor's equal in every way except the knowledge background, but she has a mind like a sponge and she learns. She's as brave and daring and funny as him; and she's even more of an unstoppable force.
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Date: 2009-04-25 05:42 am (UTC)You are correct about her being more of an unstoppable force than him...that's sort of what I meant by things that defeat him won't defeat her. She takes care of him...the way a good helpmate should...
Though I say it is his turn to step up to the plate and show he is just as committed. In The Satan Pit...when she says she's not leaving him...she says, "He wouldn't leave me." And I was all...damn him for leaving her...because she believes in him, too. But, unlike many of my fellow Rose lovers...I can forgive him for misunderstanding things. She does kiss Ten 2...and Donna presents this whole idea of how Ten 2 and Rose can live the happy life together...and I feel that the Doctor has all along...been bracing himself for Rose leaving him.
As you say, in that correct way that you have, "the Doctor gives up"...not really...not in the final crunch...which is why I hope he will pull a hallelujah play out of his pocket at the last minute this time, too. I mean...I can't help thinking about all the times RTD has set us up...to make it look like it was over between the Doctor and Rose...only to have whatever adversity happened make them stronger. I mean...people were always going..."Now, it is really over!" and it never was over...and Billie Piper tells us that in the confidential..."It's never really over for the Doctor and Rose."
This is what I think, too. But it would be grand to really have RTD and the Doctor step up to that plate and hit a home run for us all...just to prove it can be done.
I see a moment...when Rose comes back to help save the day at the final second...Bad Guy/Alien of the finale says, "Who is going to stop me now?" And Rose pops in and says, "Me!" and clocks him. Donna or Jack or someone...anyone...yelps, "Oh, I love that woman." And the Doctor grins in agreement and with much enthusiasm directed at Rose says, "Me, too!"
Rae
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Date: 2009-04-25 12:12 pm (UTC)well said!
Date: 2009-04-25 05:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-04-30 05:55 am (UTC)