Moffat at ComicCon...spoilers for DW S4 Finale

[rabid1st]

Well...isn't that designed to make the geek heart beat a little faster?

It seems Moffat said he felt you really had to hand it to the Doctor for dumping a "slightly clingy girlfriend" with a clone.

And I can hear the roar of approval that statement must have gotten from a bunch of grown men dressed up in costumes.* And yes, I know that some of my dearest online friends are into cosplay...still...even they have to admit you don't meet quite as many healthy couples at ComicCon as you do people still living with their mothers. I am instantly reminded of the scene in last night's Psyche with all the nerd boys hanging out in the hall and dissing women at their high school reunion...because none of them could get a date. It's not that I don't sympathize...I used to hang out with those boys in comics stores. We were all a bit Gussie Fink-Nottle in our obsessions.

What I don't know is if we can take anything that Moffat and JG said at ComicCon to heart...because they are not going to go there and spill the beans about plotlines for Who. And it is well known that Moffat holds a disturbing view of women in any case...so his statement says more about the James Bond Doctor coming soon than anything else. He has admitted that he's not involved in the 2009 specials except for continuity purposes. He also admitted that he feels DT's Doctor met up with River. Something that I've been pretty sure he planned to address once he started pushing for DT to stay...and something that is also consistent with what I hope is RTD's storyline, too. I mean...I seriously don't mind River meeting with 10.2 or with the Valeyard...both things work for me.

And he said he can't bear to watch the final 15 minutes of Forest of the Dead...it is implied that he wanted to bring the kids back to life...which does fit with what we know of Moffat...everybody lives. And that would have given River a better ending, too, at least she wouldn't have gone so very motherly. I don't think having the kids dead was such a stretch though...because one thing they seemed to have forgotten was there WERE people who gave flesh to the library...and they could have been children. I suppose if River hadn't had kids Moffat would have just had her in an apron baking a cake for her friends at the end. Something endearingly domestic anyway.

*Note: I am informed that Mr. Moffat was joking and I understand the remark wasn't very well received by the crowd. So I have done both SM and the costumed con-goers an injustice with my sarcasm...see below in comments for context on the remark.

Comments

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

"And he said he can't bear to watch the final 15 minutes of Forest of the Dead"
Isn't it the one who wrote it?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Yes...but then...that's not unusual. I mean, lots of writers don't like something they've written themselves. RTD was saying how he didn't care for the "coral" scene as much even though he'd written it. He thought it made the emotions more murky and the beach scene too busy once he watched it.

And Moffat didn't object to the REAL thing that he should have hated about the end of FotD...and that's that he reduced River to a cipher of womanhood...flowing negligee and all. He regretted the children being dead.

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

Okay, two things were quite worrisome to read, and I've been trying to NOT be worried about Moffat taking over:

It seems Moffat said he felt you really had to hand it to the Doctor for dumping a "slightly clingy girlfriend" with a clone.

That's HOW he saw Rose and the Rose/Doctor relationship?! I'm really, really hoping that was delivered with a laugh -- which still is bad that he even said it, but at least done in a way that one could think he's laughing somewhat at how the Doctor did become part of a love story when that's never who the Doctor was, but if he said it seriously? Oh my.

And the River thing. We know what happens. It's over. They had not chemistry or connection, and many people did NOT like the character as written/acted -- even people who normally like AK. Bringing her and her story back is just showing that he has no respect for what works and doesn't work, and only cares about his ego, his vision and I've been there with shows before and it's a scary, scary horrible thing.

I'm worried; I'm very worried now.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...someone has said it was delivered with a laugh...for a laugh...and as I said...we really shouldn't take what is said to heart. I don't think they would give us the true deal on anything at ComicCon.

Rae
more worried that he didn't see what was wrong with the end of FotD.

[arabian.livejournal.com]

more worried that he didn't see what was wrong with the end of FotD

Yeah. Yeah, and thinking of his episodes, three I liked -- although, I had a few slight problems with the first two-parter, and then three I didn't like. And what I didn't like about it was how he wrote the females and the lack of emotional and character continuity.

Very worrisome.

Sigh.

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

The more I read about Moffat the more I feel he's going to change too much. He said he was going to eliminate the Daleks completely and change everything about the show.Including getting rid of the companions. No Martha,Rose, and possibly Jack.He also compared the Doctor to James Bond and Sherlock Holmes. Both are fine characters but I liked RTD's Doctor better. Yeah, lots of things changed with Star Trek, but we still had the Vulcans and the Klingons. We also didn't forget Spock or Kirk. Moffat is going to tank the series.RTD better wrap up his story well.
Here's the article:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/54182/BBC-spoilsport-kills-off-Daleks

[arabian.livejournal.com]

I'm getting to the point where I'm really hoping that RTD DOES wrap up the show like he did with his four specials. If he doesn't, I'll conclude my canon with "Journey's End" and then I'd TOTALLY add the new "Music of the Spheres" to show that the Doctor does have a measure of contented peace because he knows that Rose is happy now and he's given her their forever.

That may have to be what I settle for. I LOVED RTD's Who. I'm so very worried about Moffat's, and no companions + James Bond just makes it sound more like he's going to go with love interests of the week (or maybe every other week, ooh!). And that is NOT the Doctor or this show.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

The blue suit in Music of the Spheres give you no pause at all?

To me...it said so very much.

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I just thought it was saying that the Doctor has more than one of them. I don't think anyone involved with the show is aware of the fandom hatred of it.

I did think it was weird that he was wearing that, instead of the brown suit, but it could have been logistics, or maybe it was some subtle clue that it was 10.2, which works for me too in canon, because it shows that the Doctor is happy with Rose.

Either way ... I'm all about a happy canon ending of sorts especially with Moffat scaring me in how he may ruin the show. Ikes.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I think...if I was eight...like I am inside...:grin: that I would say, "Hey! He's wearing the suit that went to Rose." And...if I was RTD and I'd filmed a scene where I'd given 10.2 a bit of TARDIS...and then filmed THIS....I would really expect kids to think this was 10.2 and be asking where Rose was at that moment.

This scene was filmed in May...the last thing they filmed in S4...and according to RTD they didn't remove that TARDIS bit scene until just before broadcast. So...this is probably 10.2...and it acts like him, too. But...it is possible the Doctor has more than one blue suit.

And I'm also rather on my own in thinking Moffat is saying just what I expected him to say...all those people who were hanging romantic hopes on Moffat seemed to be misguided in my book. And I tend to agree with the article in question...besides...I think RTD was our bridge person from old school to new school...and once the Valeyard story is told...there is nothing left to plunder in Old School (except maybe the Rani). The show should move on...with 10.2 as the Doctor. A Doctor who can be on his own and NOT be all emo about it.

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

f I was RTD and I'd filmed a scene where I'd given 10.2 a bit of TARDIS...and then filmed THIS....I would really expect kids to think this was 10.2 and be asking where Rose was at that moment.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first, but since there was no Rose, just went with the flow that it was Ten. (Of course, I still think it's quite possible one of the specials will be Rose/10.5 which will then give us the TARDIS information and deal with the what happened after ...)

This scene was filmed in May...the last thing they filmed in S4...and according to RTD they didn't remove that TARDIS bit scene until just before broadcast. So...this is probably 10.2...and it acts like him, too.

I did not realize that it was the last thing filmed. Hmm. Well, see I thought he was totally acting like Ten, but a contented Ten ... of course, I totally don't have a problem thinking that 10.5 IS 10 -- just with a bit o' Donna thrown in. I know not everyone feels that way, but I do see them as the same character, just doubled, with a few, extremely minor personality changes -- it's not as if it hasn't been well-established that this regeneration is rude, so that's not so much a new thing from Donna, as as it is a slightly stronger version of rude -- and a few major physiological changes.

But...it is possible the Doctor has more than one blue suit.

The comments I've read elsewhere about this have basically been a sighed, 'well, damn, so much for losing the blue suit!' So most are just thinking it's 10 automatically and he just has more than one blue suit.

all those people who were hanging romantic hopes on Moffat seemed to be misguided in my book

I have NO romantic hopes hanging on Moffat and I'm rather shocked that anyone does. Have they SEEN his episodes?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I think that the blue suit does mean something...because of when the bit was filmed...and because he is in Brown for Christmas. I do not think this episode fits between JE and Christmas. My feeling was it was from another time. While the Doctor is alone there...he's not really at all mopey...and so...people could feel good about it.

But there is no way they don't realize that kids will pick up on the suit. And so...I have to wonder if they really expect us to think this is 10 after losing Rose at all. See? They knew what they were doing...and they knew they had to have a happy moment here...no crying or moping...so they add this bit of mixed up continuity.

You could say he changed because his brown suit was wet...but then...we could have it drying over the railing...or something. This is just designed to make us wonder about the suit...and so...I think...it means something.

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

Could be; it really could be. I guess we'll know with these upcoming specials. And I do hold out hope still that we will see some continuation/closure with Rose/10.5.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...the best bet you have is that the kids come across to this dimension. And so the Doctor is not alone anymore...because he has Jenny and Rose/10.2 kids.

As for 10.2 being just like 10...I know everyone just clings to that...but he's really not...he makes different choices...and he is shown to be inside Donna's head...to understand her. And he's standing well back from Rose...well back...everything he does is sort of like he's going along with all this because he's stuck in a human body and 10 is in charge. If the kiss had been passionate...if he'd said the words aloud...if he'd joked around with Rose...if he'd turned to her for a hug instead of Sarah Jane...if he'd talked to her on Bad Wolf Bay instead of Jackie...if he'd done anything at all to show me he was 10...then I would be right there with you...hoping for the best.

But for me...Rose settling down to make babies with this man...is like...I don't know what it is like...but her Doctor is still out there...alone...needing her. He actually says he needs her...as he's shoving her at 10.2. I just can't find any solace in 10.2 being exactly like 10 when he's not like him at all. He doesn't even react the same...look at the way 10 deals with the news of the Dalek plan...then look at the way 10.2 deals with it. 10.2 is much calmer...and when 10 asks him "what have you done?" He says, "Fulfilled the prophecy" in a very straightforward way.

Anyway...not trying to talk you out of your happy...I know that there is a good chance that we are expected to believe that Rose and 10.2 are happily dating and going to make babies and that the Doctor is living vicariously through them somehow...and will be striding on as a lonely god from now on...but I just feel so very sorry for him...that the show isn't fun...and even if I know that he starts feeling better about it all...I also know...he will never have that life.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

And, you know, I really do believe that 10.2 is 11...basically...he IS the Doctor...with a bit of Donna thrown in...and so...Rose would certainly love him given a chance...and he would certainly make her happy...if he resigned himself to that. But...I don't think that Rose is going to want him to do anything for her but build her a better time machine.

The reason is...the Doctor is still out there...and I can't see her happy with a clone in that case. But really...she's come to the Doctor three times now...and it is time for him to go to her...and kiss her. And I hope that is what RTD has planned. There is no reason at all not to take what happened in JE as the Doctor's dark soul being revealed...and his running being exposed for cowardace...and his meddling being exposed for playing god...and his lonely life being a choice he's made over and over again.

Other people aren't looking at the story as I am...they are looking at ways to make this great for Rose or Donna...but I am looking at the Doctor...and all he has said...about being afraid to watch people die...about the Time War never ending and the "life he can never have." I am looking at Davros and Caan saying that he should "show his companion" his true self...the Time Lord who butchered millions. And I am looking at the idea that siphoning off your regeneration to your next life as a way to stay with the woman you love...is a sign that you really want to stay with her.

Rae

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

I admit that I LOVE this idea that you have, but I just can't see the show going there in canon. If it does, I'll be thrilled, but I just can't see it going there. I think RTD gave Doctor/Rose fans their happy ending, and the Doctor still traveling in this universe is just the lonely god still and that's what we have. I'd love it if you were right, but I'm not holding my breath.

Furthermore, I say above that I would ADORE if your idea came to pass, but if it doesn't, I'm totally fine with it because I'm still quite happy with what we DID get if that's it and all we ever see of Rose/10.5 again.

One thing I do disagree with, and it could just be me, but I just do not see 10.5 as a clone in any way. That implies a less-than-quality to me, so I prefer to say he was doubled, or he's just the other Doctor, or Doctor#2 as the script called him. But that's just me.

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

(so I guess my post did post ignore the second post then)

If you change too much you lose your audience. It doesn't matter if its the die-hards or random veiwers. Noone will put up with it. It also seems like he wants to make it just for kids. Well, he loses an even bigger part of his audience. SO, that said, this is the end of this series it looks like. Good luck to the next person that picks it up.Hope it will be a woman. I'm sick of these lost boys writing stories about what they think women should be.

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

"It seems Moffat said he felt you really had to hand it to the Doctor for dumping a "slightly clingy girlfriend" with a clone."

Sounds like the words of someone that's never been in love.All of what O thought about Moffat has been shot to hell. Well, this is what I think will happen. 10.2 or 10, we will see the James Bond Doctor that River described. The one my brother and boyfriend thought "sucked". I believe the pimple patrol of fandom will enjoy it, but the rest of us will feel sick and move on. The show will tank and DT's career will suffer. Which is a HUGE tragedy considering he's such a great actor. Before the BBC pulls the plug on the whole thing, Moffat will spin plates and try to bring back an old fan favorite like Rose or Donna. By then it will be too late and that will be the end until the next sap brings the show back. Tell me if you think I'm wrong.

[maypanic.livejournal.com]

The quote was delivered with a laugh, and for a laugh. Nothing from that panel was serious.

I really didn't care for that comment either, but I think it reflects less his true feelings, and more his desire to get another laugh from the audience. He poked fun at himself and other aspects of the show as well, all the while making clear his deep love of the show.

But as far as the 'ship... I suspect part of the reason RTD locked his couple in another universe was to leave them safe and, presumably in his viewpoint, happy.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I gathered they were not being serious...as I said...we shouldn't take any of it to heart...because they aren't going to give away Who plots at ComicCon...but the fact that it GOT a laugh...still speaks to my point overall. This is an attitude they think will play to fandom people.

Rae

[maypanic.livejournal.com]

In context- There was a huge roar of approval when the fangirl asked “Are we going to see anymore of Rose and her new Doctor in the parallel universe?”
Moffatt gave his standard "I'm not telling you, sorry!" response.

Julie Gardner said “Apparently they’re dating though, aren’t they. In the parallel universe.”

Moffatt: “Isn’t she just still saying 'But you’re not really him, though, are you?' ”

Then he made the aforementioned comment, it seemed to me in an effort to lighten the mood which was a bit serious for a moment. And since the whole panel was more like stand-up comedy, serious couldn't be allowed, apparently. There was laughter and some boos, but no response like there was to the original question- and nowhere near the laughs that he got for his next story, about trying to get through Customs at the airport.

Anyhow. The annoyingly optimistic side of me is still willing to take a wait and see attitude, and, as my grandmother always said , "Don't borrow trouble. It'll come due soon enough."

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

Well that makes me feel a little better. Love your icon.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...I would be annoyingly optimistic...as that is my default position...but...I also have a very keen eye for where a story can go from any point. This story went somewhere it had to be forced to go...and that irks me at a cellular level...and then, beyond that...I don't want to see it go where it appears to be heading now.

Still, it does help to have context from someone who was either there or saw the clippage from the event. Thanks for that. And I do hope you know that had I been able to attend...I would have done so...but I also would have been laughed at by my RL friends for being such a geek.

Rae

[arabian.livejournal.com]

Makes me feel better, too. Thank you so much for putting it in context.

I still REALLY don't want to see River Song again, though. We know the story, maybe not all details, but we know enough. And, dangit AK and DT have no chemistry, and just look and sound wrong together. And the character was annoying -- and I say this loving Alex Kingston and being so excited for her appearance.

Ugh!!!

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

River is a sort of dead end character as she stands. I mean...we know what happens to her. And any attempt to delve into her story would have to have us holding back...and I would imagine the Doctor would have no choice but to hold back too. I mean...how exactly do you not change a single thing...about a loving relationship if you go in blind? He knows he has to give her the screwdriver...he knows that on the day he does that...he will never see her alive again.

It's just preordained and sad. I love Alex Kingston too...but she and DT did seriously lack chemistry. I think though...that she's still important to the RTD storyline...she is the first companion we see him seriously abuse. And he was a little surprised by his own actions...then...we have what happened with Rose, Donna and 10.2...and there is also the taking away Jack's ability to Time Travel again...and sending Martha back to destroy the Osterhagen weapon. They still saluted him...and he didn't object...he saluted back.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

OMG! I love your icon. And it is so very true.

Rae

I cosplay and live with my mother ;)

[nightbeast.livejournal.com]

But I don't feel alienated by your comment. I can laugh at myself in what I choose to do. I'm sure good writers can laugh at their own work, too, and not make fun of the work of others instead. I suppose it helps that I don't actually want a date. ;)

I've read some of the above comments, and I hope it was said in total jest to lighten the mood and distract the audience from asking awkward questions that would reveal plot.

But his comment just adds to the pile of other sexist comments that pour out of his mouth and onto his scripts. It makes me worry for DT. I hope the rumours about the BBC offering him £1 million to be exclusive to them isn't true. But if it is, I hope he declines it on moral grounds, saying he can't be brought. I also hope that he realises where this show isn't going, too. I would feel very sorry that someone who loves DW as much as DT does ends up being the face of the show as it gets cancelled. Seeing the same story over and over might work on stage, but it doesn't on TV.

Re: I cosplay and live with my mother ;)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

You and a few other people I know...but that's okay. I did it, too, when I was single. I also know there are more women involved in SciFi these days. But still...I bet you ComicCon had a lot of 20 something bachelors who have never dated. Boys who can't really separate their mother or their fantasy woman from reality and so never get dates. Or maybe never get dates and so...have only their mother and fantasy women to use as templates.

Moffat's female characters always follow the madonna/whore model...and so you have these weird waffling extremes. I don't think Reinette was in any way someone the Doctor would be interested in...she was certainly accomplished and beautiful...but also a person who took power seriously...and she was a product of her aristocratic times. And River...poor River is just a cipher of womanhood...and she's not even a good cipher because she ends up in the floaty heaven gown tucking in children. It was so very sad to have her go from handcuffs to babies without any life in between.

RTD did so much with Rose...and a lot with Donna too. But really...so much with Rose. It is hard for me to imagine Rose giving up on her Doctor. Hard for me to imagine her trapped for good. And impossible for me to imagine her marrying or bearing children with the surrogate 10. I just can't buy that from her...I can see her trying to make him right...maybe even falling in love...but I can't see her giving up on her REAL Doctor.

Rae

[platypus]

The bit about the ending of Forest of the Dead was when he was asked about a point where he and Julie had disagreed. Julie was opposed to showing Donna's children with River and Charlotte at the end, thinking it was unnecessary and confusing, but Moffat wanted to include them to show they hadn't been destroyed. He felt he shouldn't be killing kids on the show. Julie said that she eventually came around to his point of view, but Moffat said that now he really agrees with Julie's original argument and wishes he hadn't included them.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Yeah...I knew it was about the kids. I, too, found that scene unnecessary and confusing. Also, I was a bit creeped out by the idea of adventurer River in her floaty fantasy dress and maternal virtual life. It did lead me to think maybe she was a mother-figure of some kind for the Doctor...or his children. Well, that and her crown of thorns and throne at her death...very Mother of God of her.

Rae

[platypus]

Well, either version of the ending would have included River in the virtual reality with Charlotte. The only point of contention was whether it was going to be one kid or three. I didn't like all three, because it seemed to imply (to me) that there was some inner fantasy River had about playing mommy, to the exclusion of other things we could've seen her doing. At least taking care of Charlotte, who's real, is understandable to me, but the VR kids seem to exist to pacify their (many) mothers. But maybe that's because I'm a cold-hearted non-parent. I did feel a bit sorry for them when they were starting to think they weren't real and Donna was freaking out.

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

My husband and I are living with our in-laws and we like to cosplay (don't often get to do it, tho). Do we count as part of the geekanerd group? O__O!

If Moffat's comment was made for laughs, he FAILS epically. He's got issues with women I dare not contemplate, or else he's never been in love. I remember this being the very attitude I encountered in Gallifrey One two years running that helped to vindicate my hatred of the man. All of his views of who the Doctor should be and who the companions should be seemed screwed up to the extreme, and I ph34r for the show's future.

P.S. He better not reveal the Doctor's name too, or else his precious fandom with shoot him to hell. For serious.

If you cosplay and live with someone's mom

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...then I am afraid you are likely to go to a Con and fraternize with the nerdherd. I think it is because to be THAT involved in fandom...you have to devote some serious time to it. Or maybe it is the fantasy element...or something...I don't know. But Cons are very odd places. And cosplay is an odd pastime, too. A sort of hold over from childhood...but even there...there are a select few kids who really get into being Spiderman. You know the kid...he wears his Spiderman pajamas everywhere...and insists that you call him "the web-slinger."

As for Moffat...I've been told by everyone that he's sexist. I haven't has much call to listen to him talk about things. I do feel that his work has had a few flaws in it. Mostly it is going to be hard to deal with that style of his week to week. He has a good grasp of what is scary...and I think that will serve the show well. He also likes a more old school, less emo Doctor...one that is having a good time. I only agree with that if the Doctor gets to spend some quality time with Rose first. I think putting down Donna moved Ten past the point of recovery with another companion.

I think Rose can save/heal him...I don't think that what he did to Rose was the worst thing he could do...I think what he did to Donna was the worst. But the overall attitude of dark godhood is now gone too far. It went too far in GitF and Forest of the Dead. Was that because Moffat likes the lonely god? I would say he likes James Bond...he likes the idea of the Doctor as untouchable. But maybe not Godlike...because his Doctor is often sort of goofy. And I do believe River was part of RTD's end game. I think River is another misused companion...and that's ALL she is. She's there to tell us that what he did to Donna and Rose...is just the beginning of a pattern. A pattern that hopefully...he will find the courage to change.

Rae

Re: If you cosplay and live with someone's mom

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

*mumble* Not my fault my brother-in-law is autistic and thus needs everyone the family to help out...

But even so, we did get married in Lord of the Rings attire, so I'm fine with being a geek. It's not unhealthy - just fun!

Yes, Moffat is sexist. That's the easiest way to put it. No, I don't think I'll ever agree with his James Bond version of the Doctor, unless he regenerates properly and has dealt with all the issues you have mentioned above. The lonely god complex needs to be addressed, no doubt.

[larielromeniel.livejournal.com]

I was there. The comment abotu the slighty clingy girlfriend really was a joke.

And regarding the kids at the end of FotD; he said that originally he liked the idea and Julie hated it. But when it got done, he'd changed his mind and wasn't so happy about having them in there. But Julie had also changed HER mind and liked it in the end.

Personally, I'm with Steven regarding the kids. They were fictional and really didn't belong.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I think that it is interesting how they are still avoiding this issue...because that would imply that it wasn't settled. I mean...even if we don't know what happens now to Rose...they could say THAT. Unless it is part of a some future plot...but they could always just says that they are moving on into new stories or something equally definitive if this was indeed the last we ever see of Rose and 10.2.

I think this exchange...even joking...shows that they want us to all be debating what the heck is going on...which is what I got from everyone in the Confidential. It was more serious than RTD's joke about shooting people down at the last moment in all great love stories. But still...the overall feeling I get from everyone about JE is that they want us to feel this is a less than perfect solution...that Rose isn't with the man she really loves.

And I don't think she is...nor do I think the man who really loves her is 10.2...I think 10 almost would have HAD to keep the love with him as he passed off the regeneration because he was so focused on not leaving her. And THAT was what he was focused on...yeah, he might not have said it...and it is possible that he didn't think it was the time to go through regeneration sickness...but the simply fact is...Rose asked him not to regenerate...and he didn't. And he immediately tells her, "I'm still me." nd then...totally enjoys the hug.

Rae

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

I don't think we'll see River again. That would be dumb. Moffat commented in another interview that their's no doubt that the Doctor will see her and without really saying it, said that we won't see her.

[erikau.livejournal.com]

I was there too. He was joking, Julie Gardner gave him a bad time through the whole panel about his opinions on dating, I think this was just a continuation (of that), even though it didn't go over well with the audience, or with Julie. (I thought listening to Steven Moffat was a lot like watching an episode of "Coupling".)

Regarding FotD; he does seem to see Doctor Who as a program for children, and he thought it would be fitting to show a 'happy ending' with the children. JG had argued that it was confusing and superfluous, that no one had really formed an attachment to Donna's imaginary children, and the bedtime story ending should be omitted. SM cited this as an example of JG being right, he can't watch the end because he doesn't think it fits.

SM did provide a few more serious answers to questions though; he confirmed that the tv movie is canon. To paraphrase, "He said he was half human, and nothing from earlier ever said he wasn't, so yes, of course it's canon. He's the eighth Doctor."

I came away from the panel expecting a Doctor Who which harkens back to pre RTD days; I don't think we'll be seeing more Adventure!Doctor than lonely god, angsty Doctor. That's not necessarily what we all want from the show, but I'm willing to give it a shot.

[erikau.livejournal.com]

Oops, make that "I think we'll be seeing more Adventure!Doctor..."

Sorry.

[webeh.livejournal.com]

I'm really curious. What were Moffatt's female characters like on other shows? Just from watching his episodes alone, you don't get an explicit sexist vibe. But, it's entirely possibly RTD could have had a role in that. Should we be expecting some really pathetic female characters in the seasons to come?

As other people, I kind of found River's computerization kind of off-putting. If I was her and found myself eternally locked in a computer world against my will, I'd be pretty pissed off. As the Moffatt episode demonstrated with Donna, life in the computer was no life at all.

Admittedly, I don't know what goes on in writer's workshops

[nightbeast.livejournal.com]

But I wonder what would happen if Moffat was asked to write a script. Then, without his prior knowledge, the casting people switched genders. So, male characters were played by actresses as female characters, and vice versa.

As a traditional artist, if I want to know if something looks okay, I turn the canvas upside down. A lot can be gleamed about errors and direction viewing things on the flip side. I'm a little disturbed applying that to the Who episodes he's already written, and that's not deep thought, either.

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(Not sure if my last post posted)
Get a look at this article:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/54182/BBC-spoilsport-kills-off-Daleks

Too much change makes bad TV, if anyone knows this is Chis Carter.Carter needs to chat with Moffat and show him what happen to the X-files when we didn't have Scully and Mulder.