DW S4...Episode 13 TRAILER...SPOILERS AND SPECULATION

[rabid1st]

Talk to the hand...

Okay...now it is making more sense to me. As I see the TARDIS heading to the center of things and the loyal Donna stumbling around in the flames. The Doctor and Donna at the center of it all...I think.

Someone was saying...off my hand theory...that the HAND could go off with Rose for the happy. But you know...that HAND...is pre-Rose love in a way. It comes from the time just after PotW. Nine loved Rose...I have no doubt of it...but he was able to let her go to a normal life in Parting of the Ways. At that point in the story, Rose was loved at the same level as Sarah Jane. Okay...okay...a bit more than Sarah Jane, but she was still a path he could turn from with heavy hearts. He could still hope for her to have a happy life and for him to go on in some way.

Now...since I see that I've upset a few Nine fans...with even suggesting he loved Rose less than Ten...let me put it this way: According to the canon...every decision we make changes the universe a little bit...what if the real change in the Doctor's life was when he sat down for that Christmas dinner with Rose and her family? Nine said he wouldn't do that...come to dinner. And Ten later underlines that because going to dinner with Donna's family is not something he would do...as the Doctor. And River shows us that settling down is not a Doctor thing either...not really.

So...if the Hand is filled with regenerative energy...it would share the Doctor's memories, pain and knowledge up to the point where it was removed from him...but it might not share his complete commmitment to Rose. It would not have bonded with her for all that time...sat down to dinner with her family and become the son-in-law...nor lost her and suffered. It might be able to let her go if it knew she would be happy. And she would, of course, be happy...if she had her Doctor with her. And so...we would have a Ten that was able to go on without Rose.

Now...back to Donna...what if she's in the TARDIS when it is dying and going to the center of the Davros universe. And how cool is it that I was right about that? Very cool. But also really...a no brainer...because yes, Davros would want to be at the center of a Davros universe. So it is Donna and the TARDIS and I think HAND Doctor...still in the TARDIS as it falls into "everlasting death." Rose's Doctor will be captured by this time...and standing by to be snuffed out. Or he will have escaped to somewhere safe only to face the end of that universe. Then...Donna will save it. This is my loose prediction...having no idea really how it will all come to pass, but only thinking that RTD is a man with a definite plan that he will reveal to us as a way to make everyone happy.

Well...everyone except those annoying internet "true fans" who will say that HAND Doctor isn't the "real Doctor" and the show is all ruined, unless Moffat makes it good again.

Rae
ironically mocking the true DW fan...and the internet...as I am one of those people. I just think that Rose and Ten would be happiest together. And that any truly creative person could find a way to make that happen...because, let's face it, we've all thought of many, many ways to do it.

Comments

[iamabadwolf.livejournal.com]

you know your idea about the hand!Doctor makes a lot of sense, and i like it. He would have all the same memories and feelings as the Doctor up until that point in "the Christmas Invasion" when it was chopped off. But he wouldn't come with the emotional pain that Ten went through when Rose left.

Of course, it would be a bit problematic since hand!doc would have no memory of Martha, Donna, etc-but then again the "real"doc could open a telepathic link (or something of the sort) and share his memories with hand!doc he would be up to date.

Oooh also it would give Moffat a fairly clean slate, plus it may give the doctor a whole new round of regenerations for future series.

I like your theory, your brilliant you are! :)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...he might have memories...sans commitment to them. Sort of like he got them second-hand :chortle: from Ten. So, he remembers what happened but has no real emotional attachment to any of it...because it literally happened to some other guy.

And well...it would link directly into Left Turn...because in that episode RTD was saying that the Universe needed the Doctor...but also that other people COULD do his job...there would only be a lot more death.

And really...isn't it just neat if DT could go on or regenerate...with a happy slate...everyone fine...because the part of him that loved Rose is with Rose?

That would be too perfect for words.

Rae

[iamabadwolf.livejournal.com]

That would be so perfect, because ever since series one it really has been this epic love story between the Doctor and Rose. I remember seeing something from series one where Billie, RTD and Christopher Eccleston all said that Rose and the Doctor are bascialy soulmates and that the series is their unfolding love story.

Even series three can be seen as a continuation of the love story, albeit from afar but Rose was never far from the Doctors thoughts.

Really the culmination of the past four years has been leading h Doctor and Rose together, and I am really hoping that it will go that way, and the signs have suggested :)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

This is certainly the thing...RTD has been telling the Doctor/Rose love story for 4 years. It hasn't just been a random thing...or an afterthought...it is an integrated part of the series. And in the confidentials, RTD refers to it as an epic love story.

All epic love stories would be improved if one of the lovers was cut down by a Dalek.

So funny...how he knows...and David too...first he's saying that Rose is what the Doctor wants more than anything else in the universe...then he's all...well...they had to meet, right? It is the juxtaposition I like in all of them...they are trying not to give any of it away...but you can tell they are all so excited and committed to the love story.

As you said...even Eccleston knew...he is asked by that kid if the Doctor fancies Rose and he says...oh, yes!

What has been there...over the years...is the slow and beautiful adjustment they've made to loving one another. He's gone from the old school doctor who really never thought about sex or love...through pure love...to a point where, I think, he only wants to crawl inside Rose and give himself to her completely. I totally agree when I hear DT or BP or RTD talk about the Doctor and Rose...about them not having had sex even...I mean...I think you can make a case for sex...but it doesn't really matter if they did or did not.

Because what this show is about is LOVE...not sex. This show is about transforming love...love making you into a better more well rounded person...not via magic...but via slow, focused change. The Doctor changed because he loved Rose...not to please her...but because she makes him more human. Being with her opened up that side of his personality...just as being with HIM opened up her Time Lord side.

You don't sacrifice your own personality to your love...you are made greater by love. This is truly an epic love story. And it very much deserves a happy ending...because Rose and her Doctor have really earned it and wouldn't squander it.

Rae

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

"Well...everyone except those annoying internet "true fans" who will say that HAND Doctor isn't the "real Doctor" and the show is all ruined, unless Moffat makes it good again."

Yes some goofball even wrote an open letter to RTD and their disapproval of the romance in the show. This reminds me of those stupid mothers that think if they tell the Family Guy creators they think the show is bad for kids they'll stop making it.Stuff like that is just annoying and has no real affect.

Rusty wants Ten and Rose together.He's been flashing the finger at the nasty conservative Who fans from day one.He doesn't care what they think because the new audience out numbers them. So I think we'll see the Doctor with his wife. How? I haven't a clue,but if Jack can have Ianto, the Doctor can have Rose.

I think Moffat will tank the series. I love his writting, but he's too much for DW.He bores easily and can't stick with the same characters.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Sadly, I think Moffat will tank the series, too. People won't be happy with him week after week. But...I think he's the logical choice, having won all of those awards. But his episodes really do lack heart and they aren't as clever as he believes them to be...and his over the top Doctor is a bit of a bore. I mean...yes...it is coool that he has the "everybody lives" mentality. But I suppose I like a little human in my Doctor.*

Still, I think it will appeal to a different set of the fandom than RTD appealed to with his emo-Doctor. Some people will really adore Hand Doctor, I think...and will be happy that the romance is gone. They can even fanwank that THEIR Doctor...the proper Doctor knows how to treat women...since we've seen what he's like with River and Reinette. He loves 'em and leaves 'em. He's just too grand for a normal life.

Unlike our poor broken Ten who only wants to be held and loved and have babies with Rose Tyler. This solution really is everyone having their cake...or their version of the Doctor.

And people who like Rose/Ten can be happy and people who like DT can be happy and people who think the proper Doctor is too magnificent to ever fall in love with a human woman...can tell themselves they were right all along.

So...fingers crossed...RTD is going to give us two proper Doctors.

*It did dawn on me that we could get a human/Gallifreyan split of the Doctor with this regeneration...basically the human side of him refuses to let go of Rose...but I hope it isn't that...because I'd like to imagine he and Rose happy forever in her universe.

Rae

[iwant2believe2.livejournal.com]

oh my goodness you have no idea how much your comments have meant to me this season (i've been re-reading your disheveled work of art of a fanfic and jumped to your recent doctor who entries) - especially after watching the last episode (which i was crying through the end of) so i had to run over to your account to feel better about the situation - i love how you picked up about the HAND! I felt it was weird when the camera kept jumping to it during the first part of the episode but i completely forgot about it when the doctor got shot!

i so completely hope that he gets to go off with rose - i will cry with joy and be so happy if that dream (that myself and my best friend have had since they got separated!)

so once again - thanks for making me (and apparently many others) feel better about the whole last episode episode! (and i'm going to add a comment about disheveled when work isn't so crazy!)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

So many people want the Doctor to find rest...and have that happy ending that RTD has been more or less promising us since the beginning of New Who. Whenever, as a writer, you give a character something to long for...you set up an expectation in the audience that the character will get that thing.

So...in Father's Day when the Doctor tells the pregnant bride that "I've never had that sort of life...yes, I will help you." I became a shipper...because I thought...HEY! Here is the Doctor expressing a wish...for "that sort of life." And then...he underlines it several times...with Sarah Jane...with Rose in PotW...with Martha...with Rose going off to live the "life I can never have" in Doomsday...with his forelorn hope that Joan will be his substitute Rose...and then with the faux Daughter...his telling Donna he would never have family again...never have that normal life again...not now...not now that Rose is gone.

Now Rose is back...and really...it would just be cheating not to give him what he wants.

And...I am so happy that my posts have helped you feel better. I hope that I do have insight and not just a crazy head that has focused on the wrong details to make up the picture. But yes...there was the hand...big as life. And Donna crawling around apparently alone in a flaming, falling TARDIS...so...I think...she will find she's not alone...but has HAND Doctor with her. He's going to put the blue suit on so he's not naked.

Rae
suddenly thinking we might get a shot of naked fetal-position Ten...mmmmmmm!

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

You've given us all hope. Ever thought of being a columnist? People need that kind of hope for other things, Especially considering the current state of the world.

[iamabadwolf.livejournal.com]

"suddenly thinking we might get a shot of naked fetal-position Ten...mmmmmmm!"

I was thinking the same thing! In my sad, sick little fangirl mind I am laughing because i am imaging Donna going "Oy! Put some clothes on buddy!" Jack staring and ultimately giving him his coat to wear until he puts on the blue suit. While Rose looks at naked Ten with appreciation and says "hmm haven't seen that in a while. missed it terribly."

Next week can't come soon enough. lol

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...I was imagining...all of them leaving...and the hand glowing and shaking and the glass shattering. Then later...as scene of something in a fetal position and naked...flailing a bit.

Then, Donna hopeless and falling into the center of the universe in a burning TARDIS...only to have blue suited Doctor step out of the inner door to the TARDIS and take over piloting. He creates the DoctorDonna universe...somehow using this thing about Donna which lets a parallel universe form around her.

Rae

[iamabadwolf.livejournal.com]

While not as silly and my crazy imaging lol, your vision makes much more sense. Especially with the trailer of Donna in the TARDIS today, that would be an amazing scene. Donna thinking all hope is lost and everything in the universe being destroyed then out comes Ten with a cheeky little grin.

And of course the naked fetal scene :)

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

See, I think I have to disagree about Nine not loving Rose as much as Ten did, or that he loved her at the same level as Sarah Jane.

1. To use your example of Nine being able to let Rose go in PotW, Ten was willing to do exactly the same in Doomsday, so not much has really changed there. He is always willing to let Rose go if it means she'll be safe. Also, the hand is a product of a post-PotW Doctor, one who perhaps knows now that Rose loves him and was not happy to live a fantastic life without him. Rose becoming Bad Wolf for him had proved that much to Nine while he was still alive.

2. I don't believe for a single instant watching Four that he ever felt for Sarah Jane anything near what Nine felt for Rose. Four was more focused on the bigger picture when danger was about and problems needed to be solved, while Nine always seemed a bit fixated on Rose. I don't see Four hesitating if he and Sarah Jane were trapped in 10 Downing Street and he needed to direct a missile at their location to save the world. Nine hesitated, because it would mean losing Rose, and for a moment that overshadowed the bigger picture.

So to address the main topic, would Hand!Doctor feel the same devotion as Proper!Doctor? Probably, only he'd probably have trouble dealing with it and may be as conflicted over his feelings as Ten was in School Reunion. Not quite at the point of surrendering himself utterly to this love that he feels because it'll ultimately mean the pain of loss in the end. I don't think that's really the same thing as not being as commited to Rose.

So yeah, even so, I still agree that Proper!Doctor would be better suited to following Rose into the sunset, leaving Hand!Doctor to fill in. I would just hope that the two Doctors would eventually be able to join again or to share their memories so that poor Hand!Doctor doesn't feel left out. Maybe in the moment of regeneration into Eleven.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Okay...just to make you happy...Nine-fan that you are. :grin:

How about this...the love stays with TEN because he's so focused on it that he keeps it inside him. And pours only the power and his Doctorness into the hand.

I do think that the Hand won't love Rose as intently...I know that lots of people think Nine did...and as I said...I don't doubt for a second that Nine loved Rose...just that I feel he would have gone on better than Ten has gone on.

I don't think the HAND Doctor will feel left out of the love. I think he'll be okay.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

As for Four loving Sarah Jane...well...maybe not. Again, that is all RTD fanwank anyway. There is very little evidence in the canon of that era that Sarah Jane loved him or he loved her. But we did have a definite nod to that in New Who...probably because Sarah Jane was who RTD thought most people imagined him with...she is the "perfect companion" prior to Rose.

When we look at what is likely to happen...we do have to look at what RTD is saying...not what we believe or would like to happen. And it is very likely that RTD felt that TEN loves Rose completely but Nine was more Time Lordly and hadn't quite committed to the love. Even though I am quite sure that RTD views them as the same man...and so do I...and so it hardly matters...except...well...TEN goes to dinner, Nine would not.

It is really like the passage of time...in the same man...same relationships. With Sarah Jane...she loves him...but he's really not seeing it at all. With Nine...he sees it but feels it is wrong to act on it...against his Time Lord nature in a way...but with TEN...he fully commits to it...except for the actual words. He got cut short on the actual words...and I think...within the context of this story...felt that he could go back to the "same old life" in the TARDIS.

Only after S3...does he know that life isn't what he wants at all.

Rae

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

On the Four/Sarah Jane bit, I actually can believe that Sarah Jane was in love with Four, if their parting was anything to judge by. It seemed very much like the interested girl trying to get the boy to notice her when she threw her little mini tantrum and threatened to pack and leave right before Four got the message that he had to leave for Gallifrey and leave her behind in spite of her bluff.

I can see what you mean about Nine not willing to do anything domestic like giving into his love for Rose, being still too Time Lordy for that. It makes sense that Hand!Doctor might still not be as willing since the hand was cut off before Christmas dinner. I just wonder how big a difference there is since we are still not talking about Nine but a newly regenerated Ten, pretty for Rose and eager to please, if a little rude. ^__~

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I added a little bit to the main post above...remember how canon said that every decision you make changes the universe. Well...Ten deciding as he dressed there...to go to Rose and be part of her family dinner...that was a big choice for him.

One Nine wouldn't have made...one that Ten later rejects with Donna. It's not a Time Lord thing...so basically...I say the HAND resets...to Time Lordly Doctor...for Moffat. He makes a different choice...and can make it because it lets Rose really be happy this time. So...he still loves her but he's okay with having it be something that could have happened but didn't.

Rae

[frodolass.livejournal.com]

*wince* I can see how that could happen and that it would work. I just don't see myself thinking of Hand!Doctor as the proper Doctor. I really hope they aren't going to go that route. I don't want to give Moffat an excuse to ignore that the Doctor Loves Rose. It feels too much like retcon, which is a plot device I can't stand. Probably a big reason why I hope Rusty won't retcon the Time War either.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...see...it doesn't have to retcon if you don't want it to do so. Because you firmly believe Nine loved Rose as much as or more than Ten...so...you can believe that he is only happy that she is happy...and so is able to go on.

While the Proper Doctor fans can believe that he is reset to ignore the love. I don't think it will be dealt with other than as HAND giving our TEN a way to bow out and go to Rose. Now...if Moffat talks DT into another year...then you have to worry about how to reconcile it all. If RTD just gives us some other universe HANDTen...and we take up with a new Eleven...it could be either Doctor Ten we're taking up with.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

You know though...we are going to have to retcon something here...because the Earth has been stolen...and all those people killed...maybe even Gwen, Ianto and Sarah Jane. And I do think that at the Christmas Invasion is where the Whoniverse sort of goes off into another universe from OURS...and there's been lots of death and destruction and aliens ever since.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

And about Sarah Jane/Four...I went back and watched Hand of Fear, too. And yes, you could read it that way...obviously RTD did read it that way. But I tell you...watching it from the beginning...in context...I had no thought at all that Sarah Jane and Four were anything but good friends.

It is different being an Old School Rose/Doctor fan...because you can see so much change in him. And I admire RTD so much for the slow road he took to that change, too. He didn't just have Nine all ready to throw away all that the Doctor had been for all those years...because he met some girl. Rose had to prove herself worthy...and the Doctor had to change too...unbend from his completely alien ways.

And I think we see from his reaction to Sarah Janes, "You were my life"...that he focuses on all the things he showed her...not her feelings...that he really didn't relate to those feelings...any more than he really related to Martha's feelings for him. Only with Martha...finally...he does become aware of his innate selfishness. And I feel the reason is tied into what he said to her in Sound of Drums...the relating to loving someone who doesn't know you exist. He can relate to Martha as a person...he just doesn't want to...and now...with Donna to slap him in the head...and Rose back...he is finally able to come into his own as a lover, I hope.

Rae

OH I love it!

[susanb03.livejournal.com]

I love listening to your theories... I think that's the only way I'll survive til Saturday!

Off topic... Can you direct me to the pictures that you posted of Rose and the Doctor... esp the one of them mirroring each other. I've lost my hard drive and thus everything on it :(

I can't remember if you'd linked to the one of David on the ground and Billie kneeling over him but if so, would you direct me to that as well?

Sorry for the off topic

Susan

Love it

[(Anonymous)]

That is some much needed encouragement after The Stolen Earth. I was balling my eyes out and didn't know what to think. Your theory is much desired and makes total sense. That is truely the only way for Moffat to have a new slate without stepping in RTD's footsteps. God I hope there is a Who god listening and grants us this wish, I would love to see the Doctor and Rose happy. In the confidential when they talked about the two running, how could you not think they were just meant to be? Please keep on writing I truly understand the definition of crack theories now that I'm addicted. :3

Seriously LMAO

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Oh...you anonymous person...I do love you.

So now you just want the crack...hey?

It is a way to have the clean slate and yet still have the Doctor there...and it gives us the ability to have the Doctor go to Rose. Also...I've been thinking about that Project Indigo. And how Martha went home...I think it would be so neat if the Doctor used it to go home, too. Only he goes to Rose instead of to Gallifrey.

Rae

Re: Seriously LMAO

[(Anonymous)]

Oh absolutely. I think my heart would melt into a million pieces if that was used. He finally has a chance to be free, a life he always wanted and the love it took years to discover.

I see it this way:
The universes are put back into place and the worlds must be sealed off once more. The doctors say their good-bye. Ten pained with the thought of letting her go (but never really knew how to 'stay') and Ten"Hand" with a solemn understanding of what has to be done. They retreat to the Tardis, it dematerializes. Rose, staying strong, is alone on the beach once more. As a single tear falls down her cheek she begins to turn away and a flash appears behind her. She turns her head and he has returned. He made the choice. She smiles and whispers, "how long are you going to stay with me?"...his reply, "forever."

I would give anything. ^___^

Yep...because see...

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...it strikes me that Project Indigo could be what Rose was using in her universe...to try and find him. But he was a bit more elusive as he's been traveling in time and space...so she was just missing him each time.

He'll have to aim for a spot he knows she's in...like on that Bad Wolf Bay beach. ^__~

Rae

[fidesangelus.livejournal.com]

Nine loved Rose on the same level as Sarah Jane? *arches brow*


We are going to just agree to disagree on the level of love that Nine felt for Rose. *nods placidly* Yup.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I was giving RTD the benefit of the doubt there...as so many people are invested in Sarah Jane. And we can't just say he doesn't love her, too. I want a bit more commitment is all. He seems to know what Sarah Jane is talking about when she says "You were my life" and he says he couldn't come back to her. So he left her behind...because he felt he couldn't have a relationship with her.

Personally...I would say that he only loved Rose. But I do think Nine would have let Rose go to a better life easier than Ten...I think you can see that stand supported in canon...where Nine hooks up with Lynda in Bad Wolf...and again where Ten thinks he will be able to go back to his "same old life"...even though he quite obviously is very broken.

Nine just isn't that broken when he sends Rose away...at least to my eyes. I'm not saying he didn't love her...I'm saying he didn't have as much of himself invested in her as he does once he makes that choice to join her family for Christmas dinner.

It is a matter of levels of commitment...of course he wouldn't be AS committed in the early stages of the relationship as he would be later on...Nine for the most part...hadn't see the Bad Wolf aspect of Rose...Ten has. Nine didn't let himself get too close. Mickey was always there with Nine. Love simply grows deeper in good relationships...as the relationship develops.

Rae

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

I have this theory and I don't know if I ever told you but I've had it a while. I believe, Ten and Rose's reunion, will result in an unexpected pregnancy. I think the little girl thats been following Jack through time, is their child. She has chesnut hair like the Doctor and is a bit Time Lordy, almost to the point of being creepy. Why is she helping Jack? Possibly her parents told her about his 100 year wait and she wanted to help. Or possibly she has a bit of a crush on him.Just imagine the Doctor turning his head for a second and his daughter has run off again. I also believe the possibility (and forgive me for this) that some of the other shippers were right and that Rose did lie to the Doctor to spare him any further angst when she told him it was her mother that was pregnant. Or not. The new kid could be her mum and Pete's and the baby gives her a second chance after Rose takes off with the Doctor.Either, way, we know the Doctor loves childern and he now has another void because he thinks Jenny is dead.Too much of a tease with the life he wants. Not to mention the fact that he always dreamed of the human-Time lords.Plus,they're going to shag eventually.

[ten-rose-addict.livejournal.com]

I haven't read everything you have written about the hand!doctor idea, so I'm not really disputing it, more like giving my take on things.

I think maybe the hand does have residual regenerative power, maybe enough to keep the doctor as the doctor the hand came from. Now I have no way to explain how the details behind this would work, but it seems to make a lot of sense to me. Maybe the hand channels itself to the doctor somehow and controls his regeneration? I have no clue, I am not RTD.

It seems most of us have agreed 10 is still going to be around one way or another. And IMO I don't really see there being two doctors, though I think your argument makes sense. I just don't think its something they would do with the series.

I guess I'm thinking this way bc I want there to be 10 and only 10 realistically bc I am selfish lol. I want my 10/rose even if its just for a little while.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...if it had been me...writing. I would have sent him to Rose and taken a break of a year and come back with 10 to regenerate into 11. But I think people wanting to keep David in the role have sort of dealt with the simplicity of that...so now we need a way to have our cake and eat it, too.

And the way that the HAND came into it was...well...you may have noticed the HAND keeps coming into things. I basically figured the HAND had to be important to the show because they keep showing it. Also, we keep dealing with the issue of reproduction...and we want to keep David Tennant in the role. So...it seems to me we could do that fairly easily if there were two of him...one to go with Rose and one to stay.

Now...we could split him along genetic lines if he is "half-human on his mother's side" and make him human and gallifreyan...so the "proper pure blood" doctor goes on...and the purists in the fandom are happy. Eitherway...I don't think we should really be thinking (if there are two of them) that either one is more DOCTOR than the other, though human nature plays into that (just like one companion must be more loved or faithful than any other).

I think if the Doctor does send the regenerative energy into the hand...then he will also be SHARING all of his knowledge, pain and history...just as he shares that with his next self. So both of the beings will be the Doctor...the only slight difference will be that one of them completely loves Rose...and one of them loves her a the level of other companions...which is not to say she is unloved....but only that he never surrendered to HIS own needs.

Rae

[nic]

I forgot to comment here the other day - your theory about Hand!Doctor continuing on is my FAVOURITE THEORY OUT THERE. Because we've seen how much pain 'our' Ten went through losing Rose and I honestly don't want them to be separated again.

But if he never experienced that, and if (insert one of many many theories of how Rose can get a Doctor too)... then it would be pretty close to perfect. ;)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

See? I think so. And beyond that...it is consistent with canon...which few of my theories are...though none of them seriously shatter the laws of DW canon.

I feel that resetting him to pre-dinner...leaves only Martha out in the cold...and he could have fond memories of Martha from right here...or have the knowledge of Martha and Donna shared from the regeneration.

It is the attached pain and emotions that he would give up...and the Proper Doctor would still go to Rose...so he'd be out there somewhere...he doesn't HAVE to become human.

Rae