DW S4 End of Season Speculations...Spoilers to Ep.9 trailer

[rabid1st]

Okay, this is NOT A SPOILER POST...do not spoil me with your inside knowledge of photos posted or conversations overheard...or whatever.

This is pure Rabid Speculation on what I expect from S4's final 5 episodes, with a bit of special concentration on today's UK episode...which I haven't seen, yet. I kept hesitating about posting this because....

SIGH! Well...you've all heard my core theories before...and, frankly, I've been wrong so often about the shape of RTD finales that I feel I am tempting fate to post any speculation at all about this one.

But, since I've never let common sense stop me before...

...first, let me say...I don't know what's going on with the big season arc. I don't know how RTD plans to accomplish any of his storyline goals. This is why I took up What Wild Geese Know after the fact...I figured I would give RTD lots of elbow room to work this all out. But...I feel the Doctor/Rose love story needs to accomplish a few things and those things are likely to freak out some of my fellow D/R shippers (not unlike Rose becoming a fish and the Doctor becoming a troll in Disheveled freaked out some of my readers). :grin:

So, after a lovely bit of wild speculation about River Song (Is she Jack? Is she Jenny? Is she the DoctorDonna?)I return to my initial idea for the shape of the Rose/Ten ship and to my belief that River is the "road not taken." This means that River should give the Doctor some indication of the life he would lead if he went on as he's always gone on...moving and changing and aging and fighting other people's battles. The Doctor River knows will be harder and colder, I think. He will long ago have given up the hope of peace or happiness.

But he will indeed find someone, maybe a lot of someones, that he likes very well. What he will not find is a home again or someone who can make him whole. So, it's not so bad in the future...but it's not satisfying either. The Doctor of our time is left with an overwhelming feeling of sadness and disenchantment. Even though he will tell Donna (who is worried about her imminent doom) that the future is always in flux and they can still change it, he will be gloomy.

Meanwhile, Rose is fighting the good fight in her universe. I still believe that, as part of her ongoing attempts to reach the Doctor, she will find a way for them to switch universes. It might happen accidentally, though. This will be our Doctor-lite episode...he will interact with Jackie and Mickey and Pete or Jake while Rose interacts with Donna. Both of them will discover, without talking things through, that the other one is sad, stressed and lonely. The Doctor will take this knowledge particularly hard...as he loves Rose and wanted so much to believe she was better off away from him. This, I believe, is why he looks so dejected in that "Rose is coming back" clip in the trailer...even though he is happy she's coming...why she's coming has him devastated.

Finally, the kiss...and how to avoid it for as long as possible while squeezing the most squee you can into every moment. I think that RTD will do everything he can to keep us waiting for that kiss. For example, sending the Doctor to Rose's World while she's in his. So they can touch each other's stuff and feel all shivery. I say, bring it on. The more RTD does to avoid the payoff, the more cheerful I get about the nature of the payoff...because that is classic storytelling. You dangle hope at the end of a long line for your viewers.

But why do it? WHY? Why can't we have our happy moments early and often?

Setting aside the fact that every moment the Doctor and Rose are within sight, reach or rumor of one another will be a happy moment for them...

It's because you can't have the Doctor and Rose shagging like bunnies on the TARDIS console at 7:00 pm. Mums would have to send their little ones off to bed and then sit down and write stern letters of reproof.

You keep your lovers apart because you know that when they finally come together sparks are going to fly. It is the underlying premise of this kind of tease...that there is something on the line that is very yummy. The unspoken subtext is that the Doctor and Rose also long to have a private moment together so they can shag. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Doctor and Rose snatched away from one another just as they first have a scene together, then wild events coming between them so they haven't a moment to think, let alone spoon, then Rose giving in to total exhaustion and tears and needing comfort more than kisses. Then...the end of the universe as we know it demanding that one or both of them make the ultimate sacrifice.

Then...the last minute reprieve...and our kiss.

And...here's hoping...the happy ever after scenario.

I'm just saying.



Rae

Comments

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

Yep! We have to get a D/R kiss. I think we all have waited long enough for that.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Yes, we have! We have waited long enough. Personally, I wish we could have several kisses...but I do think that RTD believes the Doctor and Rose would have sex if left alone for five minutes at this point.

So, I doubt he will give them five minutes, until the end.

Rae

[amybtvsfreak.livejournal.com]

If that's the way it ends, and I so very much hope that it does, even if it ends in a heart and gut-wrenching way, it'd be totally worth the journey to get there. Here's hoping your speculation turns out to be correct!

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I think this episode...but at the very latest NEXT episode we will start seeing the Doctor's worldview unraveling...and his sense of how he's supposed to live coming into question.

It is necessarily to do something gut-wrenching because the Doctor is very selfless and self-sacrificing and he will not think of himself before others. However, he might think of Rose before others...he might see what is happening to her and feel enough empathy to realize his own pain.

And that might be enough to make him seek his own rest cure.

Rae

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

The speculation on this is driving me nuts. I've been using my producers' eye and have been finding a number of things in the background and throughout the show and have been putting it all together.I figured I could find something out professionally. What have I come up with? "Rose is coming back and that all we're going to tell you.~Love Uncle Rusty" Meanwhile,I cross my fingers and hope that you're right.I hope we get what we've been waiting for.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I think we have spoken of your producer's eye...which is similar to my writer's eye. We look for the laying out of clues...and this year...well...it is family, reproduction and the Doctor's wife. He's given up on ever having it again...he's lost his world and his Rose...but we see that other people find a way to reproduce after the loss of their birthing worlds...and we see that Rose is coming home to him.

These clues, and the fact that they remain mostly hidden from the Doctor, should help us form a subconscious opinion as viewers...that we want the Doctor to find another way to have a family.

Rae

[sensiblecat.livejournal.com]

Well, that would be beautiful. I probably know a little bit more than you so I won't say much, other than I think it will be something like that, but also (and this is purely speculation) I've a feeling that they may find a way to show us the alternative Doctor future as well...if only for love of spin-offs.

I'm incredibly excited about "Midnight" especially, because I think that will ratchet the pre-reunion tension up to 11 for the Doctor and we'll come very close to seeing him lose it completely.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I've a feeling that they may find a way to show us the alternative Doctor future as well...if only for love of spin-offs.

This was my initial feeling as well...that we would have an alternative future or something for Christmas. I've been calling it the "It's a Wonderful Life" scenario...but now, with River, and the "path not taken" situation coming up...I wonder if RTD doesn't have some other way to have his cake and send the Doctor to Rose, too.

As I said, above, I hesitate to get into the particulars of what's going on...because I don't really know enough to even speculate properly. But it is good to have someone who has a little more knowledge than me not telling me I'm a loon. I tend to get laughed at when I speculate about television shows.

Rae
happy to know that Midnight seems exciting...I do think that it is time to start shaking the Doctor up...because he needs to change his entire outlook on his life if we are going to have the happy...and I DO, honestly, believe changing his outlook on life will be good for him and the show.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Yes...but if River IS the road not taken...she dies here...and the Doctor sees that he hasn't given her what she needs to be happy with him and fulfilled. The Road Not Taken...is rejected. So, this would be a "possible future" that we will never see in the show. Moffat isn't the sort, I think, to spend a lot of time on a love interest.

Though, I too wouldn't mind learning that River is evil or there's some other reason for her being in our lovely Rose/Ten love story.

Rae

[sensiblecat.livejournal.com]

Or she could be a Time Lady; then she'd have the power to regenerate.

[roxyk630.livejournal.com]

Hmmmmm....

I like the idea.

Thats all I got... because I haven't watched "Silence" yet (I'm waiting for "Forest" today). I agree with some of what's been said though. The Doctor needs a shock to the system to get out of his "emo-ness" Not that I don't love it... but for the sake of the show... the Doctor can't keep sinking further each time Rose or Gallifrey is mentioned. One burden needs to be lifted from the weight of the Universe that he carries. It doesn't have to be completely... just something minor (like a kiss) or something to show that no matter what someone out there loves him... becuase the Doctor forgets that.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...we will see what we see in the finale of the two-parter. People have already returned to me with dire predictions of needing therapy. All I know is that we can't go on with emo-ness forever...already people are getting bored. But the traditional fixes for emoDoctor don't seem to be working.

Rae

[ladyofgallifrey.livejournal.com]

All I can say is that I need major therapy now (see, I have managed to get the art of "virtual watching" down to a fine art... my friend in the UK watches and then gives me a 'blow by blow').

Have you watched yet?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

ACK! Thanks for the dire warning of coming therapy bills. Of course, I am rather cold-hearted in comparison to you. :tries to comfort the flagging butterfly of hope in my heart:

And, no, I haven't watched it, yet. I'm at work and I have to see what my cousin in the UK can do for me about this one anyway...as I'm not traveling this weekend.

Rae
possibly on AIM later though if you need to talk around any plot points without giving things away. :chuckle:

[ladyofgallifrey.livejournal.com]

I reacted badly as always - sorry to sound dire. I saw the title of your post and thought you'd have watched it already but I didn't check the time stamp. My fault.

I think maybe I ought to just let someone run my comm and stop having anything to do with this whole mess until the finale is done so I can "read the ending of the book" and know if it's safe to come back out again (or stay permanently in denial.)

Will "loiter" around in the virtual space of AIM for a while then when it's cooled off to below 90 (after 7pm) must go try to make my back yard look non-ugly (hates cutting grass back there).

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

If you would like I can give you the link to the youtuber who's been posting the episodes I've been watching. I do so love the British and their generosity.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

The Brits are generous but I don't like to get involved with the bootlegs on youtube or elsewhere. So, I'm going to ask you not to discuss this any more on my LJ. Though, thank you for YOUR generous impulse.

Rae

[gutterfl0wer.livejournal.com]

All I want is them to kiss in this series. I don't even care if it's Tennant's last series as the Doctor, I just want that damn kiss, lol. I've read quite a lot in Brit sci-fi magazines about the finale and I won't give away telling quotes from the producers and such because you'll probably drop a TARDIS on me but I just hope we get that kiss.

[webeh.livejournal.com]

It's because you can't have the Doctor and Rose shagging like bunnies on the TARDIS console at 7:00 pm.

They could if they made a cameo on Torchwood. Everyone shags everyone on that show. ;) But, I don't know think the BBC would be okay with that either.

Here's another thought, which is probably totally wrong because I didn't watch the episode yet. River as Rose. River Song. Wasn't there a period where Rose was associated with music? I can't remember...

[fidesangelus.livejournal.com]

Is it odd that I look forward to your thoughts on the upcoming direction of DW in many ways as much as I look forward to a new episode? They're just always so complex, entertaining, thoughtful, plausible and fun which makes them just as exciting because the surprise remains when we do get a new episode. Thanks for the ideas. They make great thoughts to delve into and turn over looking for clues to support or suggest a different direction.

Lol, I just finished today's episode and immediately wanted to read your thoughts and reactions for revelations made. Its great cause even if I don't think that is what's happening or going to happen it always makes me pause and think about the show differently. ;)