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But...if I WAS Russell and I wanted to have a Rose/Doctor reunion

I think it's that's very large if. RTD hasn't really looked like he's all that interested in a Rose/Doctor reunion, has he?

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That would be a hell of a fabulous twist...

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...interested. Do you mean, has he said he wants to do it very much and darn that Billie Piper for getting in his way? Nope!

On the other hand, he has said 1) Rose is the love of the Doctor's life 2) He sent her to an alternative universe so the door was open for her to return should Billie be willing to come back 3) Anything is possible in SciFi.

I think there is little doubt, given S3, where they went on telling RTD's Rose/Doctor love story sans Billie, that RTD hasn't given up on the R/D ship. I think he fully intends to reunite them, because Rose is his Mary Sue and he's not about to change his mind about it. The only question in my mind is will he do it on the show, or will he do it in book form.

If he does it on the show...he would want it to have impact. Just because that's the sort of person he is...and because every storyteller likes to get impact. But, he would have a problem getting Billie within ten miles of Cardiff or a Who Film Crew without the press crawling all over it. Unless...of course, he can convince everyone that she's playing a part that has nothing to do with Rose. Also, having the Rani take Rose's form...is just alarming enough to be a good idea.

Rae

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He sent her to an alternative universe so the door was open for her to return should Billie be willing to come back

Huh. I've read interviews where he said the exact opposite so maybe he's playing with the audience?

I haven't seen much to say that he's writing Doctor Who to be any sort of ship show, but we all have different perspectives, I guess. I get a little uncomfortable with some of the rabid (hee! a pun!) R/D shipping I've seen, lately (please note, I'm not a DW shipper, in any way). It flies too close to the Ducks inability to let Buffy/Angel go way back when, but then again, they're two different shows with two entirely different ways of telling stories so I could see where I might be a little over cautious.

But, he would have a problem getting Billie within ten miles of Cardiff or a Who Film Crew without the press crawling all over it.

That's certainly true.

Has there been anything concrete said about the Rani definitely appearing this season or is that a massive fan spec in the wake of the Master's appearance and some RTD taunting? I know a lot of people think that the hand that picked up the Master's ring was the Rani, but at the time I saw that episode I was convinced that it was the Master's wife (she even had bright red nail polish that matched the gown Mrs Master wore when she conveniently shot him which screamed massive set up, probably contrived by the Master himself as a way of escaping the Doctor, to me)

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For me as well. In that we R/D shippers don't feel like moving on just yet. But there are a few key differences. Angel made a choice to leave Buffy, for example. And RTD has come flat out and said that Rose is the love of the Doctor's life. Something Joss never did re: Angel and Buffy.

To me, being Duck-ish also includes simply denying the reality of canon and authorial intent. So, I would say those people who insist that the Doctor doesn't or can't love Rose are slightly more Duckish than I. But, I am openminded enough to say I'd be very interested in seeing the articles you've seen that have RTD opposed to Rose's return. Do you have a link?

Is it possible you may have seen some anti-Rose interpretation of "Rose is stuck there in Pete's World and won't be back in S3?" To me, RTD is pretty straight forward about Rose and the Doctor and hasn't yet waivered on his devotion to them as a couple. Rose had to go and separate universes was the only way...if you meant to keep hope alive (something RTD has said he intended to do). They would never leave one another and RTD had no intention of killing her.

As for the Rani's return...how certain is it? Well, I'm not talking about fan speculation. Maybe it's an unfounded rumor. I don't cruise for spoilers so I could be out of the loop. But I'm talking about casting spoilers that were knocked around a few months ago in the UK press.

Several spots claimed Joan Collins had been cast as the Rani. And then RTD teased that it might have been HER hand that picked up the ring. I think we were supposed to feel that the hand picking up the ring was Lucy's hand. And it would have been like them, as a couple to prearrange something should the Doctor get the upper hand.

Rae

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I am openminded enough to say I'd be very interested in seeing the articles you've seen that have RTD opposed to Rose's return.

I don't have a link but it was in an interview I read over the summer, where he was asked about the possiblity of Rose's return and he said that their goodbye on the beach was final and that he had no intention of going back on the Doctor's statement that there was no way back into that dimension.

To me, being Duck-ish also includes simply denying the reality of canon

But isn't the reality of canon that the Doctor has had dozens of companions and will have dozens more before the story is finally over and that someone who lives that long couldn't plausibly have a love of their life?

Doctor Who suffers from something that Buffy or Angel never could and that's the weight, not only of of backstory, but of stories yet to be told. He's England's Superman and a love interest introduced this late in the game can't possibly be epic. Can she? Heck, Marvel just rebooted Spider-Man to undo his marriage to Mary Jane and she'd been around for ages.

Don't get me wrong. I *do* believe that the Doctor loves Rose. It's the foreverness, "of his life" part that I'm not sure about.

To be honest, though, I've always been a big proponent of following the writer's lead if I love a show, so if he *does* go down that path I won't be upset. Puzzled and maybe and not convinced it would survive a new writer taking over, quite like poor Mary Jane, but not upset.

Several spots claimed Joan Collins had been cast as the Rani. And then RTD teased that it might have been HER hand that picked up the ring.

I had heard about that, but since I only really follow spec and spoilers that appear on my LJ, I hadn't heard if there had been any further confirmation one way or the other after that.

I guess everything I've written all boils down to "I can't *wait* for Christmas and then the start of the next season to find out if what you've specced is possible! It's certainly fascinating and would be a cool twist!

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...Rose being the love of his TENTH* life...and therefore, he might move on after regeneration. In the new canon he does tend to refer to the incarnations as "lifetimes." And given the extent of the character's mythology, I believe we would not want to tie him to Rose forever. That's one of the main reasons I support reunion. Because if we don't do the reunion...she's the love of his life until someone else has the balls to tackle it again. And I don't believe anyone will ever tackle companion love again.

If Ten goes to Rose...then the mythos established by RTD can refer only to TEN and not to the Doctor as a whole. Basically, RTD has established that the Doctor has been married and fathered children but feels he can't have and never has had a life with someone. Also, hugging, kissing and canoodling with companions means nothing. All reunion would (or should) do in my opinion is set Rose in her place in the mythos. Because, while many people won't acknowledge it, as she now stands...she's the one and only. You really can't claim any other companion as a love interest now that S3 has aired.

Rae
*except there is Dalek evidence that Nine loved her, too.

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That's one of the main reasons I support reunion. Because if we don't do the reunion...she's the love of his life until someone else has the balls to tackle it again. And I don't believe anyone will ever tackle companion love again.

I have to admit I'm a little jealous of your passion for the ship. *grin*

I haven't had a ship affect me profoundly since Spuffy and I miss the feeling.

I hope you get what you wish for!

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You are a genius. Whether evil or otherwise is still to be determined. But, either way, I think I love you for this. *imagines the possibilities*

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That would be interesting. But to be perfectly honest, I'd prefer it if Billie made an appearance as Rose and not anyone else. I would find it much more interesting if the bridge between the two worlds got ripped open again and the two sides had to team up to fight off the evil. On one side, we have Billie and her Torchwood team, which I hope is a lot more efficient than Jack's and includes both Mickey/his boyfriend. (I hope she's either sporting cammo gear or rocking a suit now.) On the other side we get Ten, Martha, and Donna being awesome together.

As for Billie's comments, I learned to not pay too close attention to them. What I found during season two is that she likes to say different things at different times. I think it's her way of throwing off the media.

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...to point out that Billie tends to be quoted saying contradictory things all the time. Another thing that happens is the press seem to just take things she says WAY out of context. And one source will be requoted by other sources so it looks like she's repeating herself when she's not. We have had that a number of times.

I'm all for Rose and her Torchwood team showing up in kick-ass mode and the Doctor going to her side for those three episodes.

And personally, you hit the nail here on what I foresaw happening with the Rani. I think she's fully capable of figuring out how to open a rift...all by herself...especially if she thinks there are Time Lords in other dimensions. And...well...as far as TV canon goes there ARE...both Romana and Omega are stuck in other dimensions. In theory, that should have protected them from the purge of Gallifrey. Heck, that might even be what protected the Rani.

But all that said...I can certainly see the attraction for Billie and for Russell in having the one remaining Time Lady look like Rose. I mean, there's that whole last of their kind thing to deal with...and I can see the Doctor turning her down...because she's evil. And then I could see her going...okay...so, you love Rose...I can deal with that...how do you like me, now? The Doctor, of course, would recoil in horror. But you could get milage out of his anguish as he tried to deal with it. And...of course, Billie then has a built in cover to return as Rose with nobody the wiser.

Rae

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And maybe this could serve to have Martha come face-to-face with the person she's been experiencing insecurities about. Have her come to realize that Rose is a "normal" girl and human, just like her. Then, they could start to get along and the crush would go away.

But then, I'm totally expecting Martha to be over the whole "I have googly eyes for you, Doctor!" thing by the time she comes back. She'll be a doctor, she'll probably be dating another doctor, and her whole Torchwood experience should boost her confidence. So now, she'll be a full blown alien professional when she returns to the Tardis. (I hope she inherits some awesome fight moves.)

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Now jumping into Heroes land, I'm really curious whether the status of Claire and Peter's relationship will change. Meaning, will they be closer this season or not so much? I just have this feeling that we won't see the pair together in a scene for a bit. Will Peter develop a bond with another character? (There's this one new character I'm really curious about and because of who the actor is, there is no way I'm going to be developing a dislike.)

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I'd still be okay with finding out that Rose moved on after the Doctor. And I know you don't like this, but I'd also be okay if a parallel world version of the Doctor did exist. What I mean is that if all of the Doctor's regeneration exists in human form in the other world, personality and all. (Of course, I think they'd probably have a lot more well adjusted to human society than the Doctor would ever be.)

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mmmh...

what! oh sorry was lost in my little delusional evil!Rose/10=smut! land.

will return at a later date to seriously think about Rani!Rose.

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