Teen Wolf S3 - Spoilers for S3 Epiosde 9 - OMG!

[rabid1st]

I'm posting you while entertaining guests. This is how addictive Teen Wolf is. LOL

And this last episode really just rocked the house.

I'm not going to go into a long winded review here, but I've been talking things over with two fellow speculators, elsecarlass & my RL buddy Jen...and I've come to some conclusions...but, first...

I am thrilled that Jennifer is the Durach. Yes, we all wanted it to be her. Not because we ship Sterek...but because she wasn't right in the head...or the storyline. The thing is, I feel it was very well written, myself. Because I believe her and Derek. But not her WITH Derek. I think Jennifer was perfectly written and acted. She was off that little bit, in every scene, and it made her creepy as hell. This YAY is coming from someone who really loves Jennifer, but I felt like her relationship with Derek was all kinds of wrong. I never SHIPPED her and Derek...but I could see the storyline point of her. And through them I came to slightly ship Sterek. Up until this last two weeks, I had no Teen Wolf ship. It is the comparison that struck me. The foil of Jennifer, put Stiles in stark relief for me.

So much so that a Sterek porn writing mood took hold of me this weekend.

Oh, and yes, Sterek PWP is happening. I am writing a very short, very silly fic about them...because as Kes puts it I "want to write witty banter"...but don't worry...it won't take up too much of my time. I should be done within the week. Idle & Blessed is still my obsessive distraction from my real world, original writing.

Guests...right...second, I hope everyone noticed the change in Scott's makeup...signifying his transformation into full wolf form as a True Alpha, I think.

And let me just grab a minute and say that it could be true that blue eyes indicate the taking of an innocent life, just as Peter explained. It seems logical to me and the question is...why would Peter lie? But, Jeff Davis likes to use his characters to misdirect us. And as one of my spec-buddies said, "Peter was lying, because he lies." Hardly a stretch of the imagination...so...what if having blue eyes is a stigma of some kind. What if it means that sometimes your bite creates a monster? What if it is like the red eyes for Alphas? Yellow, can't make werewolves. Red, can. And Blue can make monsters? That would make more sense with the hierarchy we have.

Peter would keep it a secret, too. For a couple of reasons...but especially if it affects his powers, maybe if blue eyed wolves are always Omega. So, Peter had to take the power from Laura, rather than some other Alpha. Because nobody would want him as their leader, to breed, in case it went wrong. It can't ALWAYS go wrong...not because of Scott (because he's not right, either)...but because of Isaac and the others. Still, we know that Peter bit Lydia...and now she's something else. Jennifer thinks she is like her...and for all we know Jennifer IS what she is because a blue eyed wolf bit her as she changed.

Though, I think maybe Lydia was already something else entirely, mainly because I don't recall her bleeding black goo. But, back to the blue eyes...Peter was an outsider...and it could have been because he would never be allowed to be an Alpha. So, Derek has possibly created two monsters...Jackson and Gerard. It is possible that the mountain ash must be purged from Gerard's system for him to change into whatever he is. Maybe that's why he is feeding Scott his..."pain."

Moving on, I have come up with a way to explain why Paige was slashed up, too. It's a real no-brainer! My friend keeps saying she must be an emissary...because Paige wasn't disfigured. And while I was on the emissary theory, myself, until we found out about Paige...I've come off of it. It does make sense from the previews we've had. But, the characters are pushing it...and Jeff likes us to think they know something, when they don't.

My RL friend doesn't think Mama Hale would let anything bad happen to Derek or Paige. But, I'm thinking Thalia's power plays into Paige being slashed up...because the last thing she would want was a dead girl leading angry hunters to her door. Peter might have disfigured Paige so that she wouldn't be traced back to Derek and the Hales. I mean, Derek's girlfriend turns up dead in the woods...? Surely he would be suspect number one. And that would mean trouble for the pack...with hunters. Thalia's beloved son would have been sliced in half. I think she would be down with getting rid of the evidence.

Jennifer is listed as a Jane Doe on the hospital records...so...no ID! So, that's not her BEFORE pic in the file...it is an AFTER pic. After many plastic surgeries...and/or a dark energy healing patched her back together into something hideous...and that woman looks nothing like Jennifer, either. So...she didn't feel ready to face Derek until she'd been rejuvenated by the Virgins. So, I'm going with Paige slashed up by Peter...and then given some restoration by the Dark Oak.

Also, I think she's getting these powers FOR Derek, to fight by his side. Again, not because she's the woman for him...she's psychotic killer. But she believes she's on some holy mission. That's why she insists her sacrifices are a "necessary evil"...she wants to help defeat Deucalion. She hooked up with the Alpha pack somewhere...or found out what was happening and that they were going after Derek...and she's trying to make herself strong enough to stop Deuc, before he can put all of his plans into action.

OMG...must go...but...if she is sacrificing TO the OAK...to make herself stronger and smarter and prettier...she could be doing that so she can stand by Derek. Because if she is Paige, she has this narcissistic, obsessive, teenage love inside, too.

Comments

[liliaeth]

You actually like Sterek?

I rarely stand up against a pairing, but Sterek is one of the ones I utterly despise. Almost as much as I hate B/A.

And at least Bangel had some canonical grounds. Sterek has NOTHING, zero, null, ne rien... there is no chemistry, no subtext, no... anything.

they're two people, one of whom hates the other, and the other barely cares if the first exists, except for the part where he's the guy who is best friends with the kid he is interested in.

I honestly do not get the fascination with Sterek. So far the only reason I can see why people like it, is because they prefer to ship two white boys, over focusing on the poc who's the actual protagonist of the show.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Up until a few weeks ago, I didn't really care about Sterek...or notice it, beyond finding their scenes together hilarious. I would say that, even from my pre-Motel California head-space, I would disagree about there being zero canonical support for the ship. Jeff Davis seems to support the chemistry between Stiles and Derek. And, to say he means to put them together as much as he can. A simple perusal of the vids, the cleaner ones, will show you that chemistry in action.

I won't try to convince you of it, but I don't agree that Derek and Stiles hate one another. I think they are polar opposites. And massively impatient with one another. And I don't think they will hook up on the show. As Stiles puts it in my PWP in the works, "Derek puts the het in heterosexual." But I believe Jeff and company are writing them as affectionate co-workers, who bicker. Derek has turned to Stiles for help a number of times, and received it.

I will say until I had this idea on how Sterek could work, I had little interest in two white boys...or Asian boys...or, what is Hoechlin? Greek? I am not one of those people turned on by slash. I did ship House/Wilson, but not because I liked the porn. I would even agree with you that many, many people simply throw ships together based on the boys being hot and hating one another. I put Spander in this category, since we are referencing Buffy. I didn't think there was much canonical support for that ship, but it had loads of fans. Worse for me, personally was knowing there was no way Spander would work long term.

In order for ME to ship a couple, I have to see them having somewhere to go with one another. That's the key that opened my eyes to the Sterek possibilities in Motel California, an episode that was about Derek and Jennifer and Scott and Stiles on the surface. But, out of that episode, I did predict a lot of things...and those things are based on the writing, not my desire for hot boy on boy action.

If I was to hazard a guess about the future of Teen Wolf...I would say Jeff means to tease Sterek to the end of the show. He will probably also keep people waiting for a Stiles/Lydia hook up, but I think Stiles is on a path to be an emissary...and they might be celibate. Or...as I suggest in my PWP...polyamorous, loving everyone in their pack.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Have you seen the latest long-form trailer? The one with Stiles berating Derek? I will give you a fearless, writer-based prediction about how that is going to go down.

Stiles is going to go off on Derek. And, this time, instead of snapping back, Derek is going be cowed. He might even assure Stiles that he is on his side. Because, Derek is on a self destructive road of isolation, here, but someone will pull him back. I think that person is Stiles, as it's been laid out this season. Not because it is TRUE love OMG. But because I think Stiles is going to be the emissary for this motley crew. So, he's going to figure out that Jennifer is Paige, and be the one who can stop her. It could create an even greater rift with Derek...but I feel that rift will heal in favor of Stiles/Derek friendship.

[liliaeth]

See, if they hated one another, or at least cared that the other existed, I could see it. Thing is, I don't see Derek giving one bit of a fuck that Stiles exists. That's my prime reason for being unable to ship it. There is just nowhere to go with them.

Derek/Scott I could see, same for Stiles/Scott, but Derek/Stiles... there's just nothing. I may prefer my Teen Wolf primarily as gen, but I see Derek focusing a lot of his attention on Scott, and there'd be a lot of conflict/tension/interesting plot turns, in bringing someone as cynical as Derek, together with someone as hopeful, and generally optimistic, kind and decent like Scott. The constrast to me could work. Whereas Stiles is too cynical himself to work along with Derek. It'd be kinda like Buffy/Angel where they only bring out the worst in one another.

Now admittedly, I don't care for Stiles and could easily do without him in general. (though, true, a lot of my dislike of Stiles comes from the way that Sterek fans like to erase Scott, who is my favorite character on the entire show, from the show that he's the protagonist of. And a I fear a lot of it comes from Scott being a poc, while they prefer Stiles, who's a white boy.
It's kinda like how Xander fans preferred to focus on Xander, a white male over Buffy, who though white, was still female. )

But then I guess I wish Teen Wolf fandom in general would focus more on Scott, who to me is the better actor, the more interesting character and by far the more likeable protagonist. Especially compared to Derek whom to me gets more one dimensional the longer the show goes on.

I was talking to a friend about this after watching last week's ep, and my biggest problem with Derek is that he has nothing going on for him beyond his angst. He's kinda like Angel in s1 of Buffy. He could become interesting, but instead they're throwing so much angst on him, killing off female characters to give him more angst, instead of building out his characters and giving him something other than manpain.

Just compare him to someone like say Dean Winchester on spn who has more reason to angst than Derek, yet has personality traits beyond that. Has interests, has hobbies, has love, concern, has layers beyond 'was hurt and is still suffering'

So I guess to me, when you take Teen Wolf's two least interesting characters and put them together, it kinda makes me wonder why I'm supposed to care.

[liliaeth]

Don't think I've seen it yet, but still... no interest. Like I said above, Stiles doesn't interest me. His relationship with anyone other than his father or Scott doesn't interest me, and I feel he gets too much focus on the show as it is.

Still annoyed that the show spent that much time on the relationship between Stiles and his father, or the sheriff's dealing with finding out the truth, while Melissa's reaction to finding out about Scott was pretty much brushed under the mat, while I care far more about the Scott-Melissa interaction, than anything to do with the Stilinski's.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Ah, well, if you don't like the two characters, I can see why you wouldn't care about the ship. And I do know that the Sterek fans are being obnoxious. There is no reason to believe their ship is going to float away into the sunset, the way that it is written on the show. I just don't think they are building from absolutely nothing.

I must ask you...what is a poc? I thought that you had misspelled pack in your first post. It's definitely not influencing me, because not only do I not know what it is, I had no idea that Scott was one...or wasn't a white boy, as you put it. I think Scott rocks. And is extremely hot. I actually think every single character on Teen Wolf is fantastic. I love them all to bits. Even mad as a crap-apple, Jennifer and the wussy Mr. Harris.

I must part way with you on the Scott/Stiles ship...but only because I do believe in various kinds of love and find myself content with a brotherly devotion between Scott and Stiles. I would go so far as to say I wouldn't like a show where everyone has to be sexually interested in everyone else. But I think Teen Wolf offers a lot of latitude for shipping. While I put that amazing Motel California speech down to brotherly love...I would say that Scott/Stiles fans definitely have canon bits to hang their hats on, and should be clutching their hearts over that one.

I can see those two if you swing that way, already. No doubt in my mind they love one another. Just as there is little doubt in my mind that Stiles believes he loves Lydia...and so there is huge potential there, from his stand point. I think Jennifer may love Derek in her twisted way, but she's definitely not someone I would ship him with long term. She creeped me out from day one.

I am afraid I see far less Derek/Scott heat, though, I do see some Isaac/Scott moments. And also loads of Isaac/Allison. Scott and Derek seem to have a circling relationship to me, which clashes with Stiles in the middle a lot of the time. But on that one I would go with, to each his own. I wouldn't worry too much about characters being marginalized, Jeff seems pretty even handed for having such a large cast. That's what is getting in the way of more Scott/Stiles in my view, too many characters and a stuffed to the rafters plot.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well, as I said above, I can see how you might be frustrated by Stiles hogging the screen time. I agree that we should have had more Melissa-Scott...and probably less Stiles/Dad...though, I didn't mind so much with Dad, because...well...I like Stiles...and, also, I knew that was going to be more pivotal to the show than Melissa finding out. The sheriff is in a position of power and so there will be issues that crop up as we go forward...and also...I think they are grooming Stiles for power, too. Working toward that is going to take some focus off of Scott. But I do have faith in the Scott/Stiles relationship. It is the beating heart of the show, in my opinion.

Oh, and how about Melissa rocking the extra involvement this season? I loved her saving Danny. I don't think I could bear to have Danny die. And, I think that the Guardians...are parents...so more Melissa soon. But they will be shipping her with the Sheriff, I think, so more Stilinski home drama, too.

[liliaeth]

A poc is a person of colour, Scott being latino falls under that. Sorry, so used to using that term that I forget to spell it out.

And I agree that I prefer Stiles and Scott as friends, over them as something romantic. Honestly, the overly focus on romantic relationships can be annoying as hell. Just saying that if you have to have a male/male pairing, Scott/Stiles and Scott/Isaac just make more sense to me ;-)
(though personally I'd rather root for more Ethan/Danny)

I love Scott/Allison, and I could go for both that, Isaac/Allison, or even better Scott/Isaac/Allison. Hell I could even go for sheriff Stilinski/Melissa McCall, looking at their flirting in this week's ep.

Though admittedly, I don't really have an OTP on Teen Wolf.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Ah, see, where I come from Scott is not a person of colour. Nor is Danny. Nor is anyone but a dark-skinned person of African, not Indian, origin. And, since that is based on how much skin pigment you are born with it seems as ridiculous to me as disliking someone because they have blue eyes. All the blue eyed people...back of the bus. LOL

Though, I do know that loads of people are preoccupied with our slightest differences, religion, sexual orientation, what sort of piercings someone has. All this hate because some people want to sleep with the same sex? What business is that of mine? And sometimes there are cultural clashes as well. In college, I shared an apartment with this girl of Mexican descent.

It was the first time I'd ever heard of Latino as a separate category of person. She invited me to her home over Christmas break. And everyone kept acting a little weird. I actually thought they felt I was poorly dressed, or I had spinach in my teeth, or something. Finally, I asked her why everyone seemed so shocked to meet me, did they not know I was coming. And she said, "I didn't tell them you were white." I looked at her for a beat and then said, "Aren't you white?"

[elsecarlass.livejournal.com]

Hi, I am here, a bit late to the party (nothing new there).

great news on the Darach front, 'my god I'm good', she says boastfully. Like I've said before. 2 for 2 on guess's this episode.

Personally I am happy that you have wrote us a little Sterek, I disagree with Liliaeth, in that they have no on-screen chemistry. I think that it cries out chemistry, but not necessarily romantically, but I think I have said that before. Some of the best scene's between Stiles and Derek were shot when the actors were living together, and I know for a fact that they pulled stunts on each other in RL. Dylan has said in interviews that the Tyler's used to gang up on him to play practical jokes. A lot of the chemistry shines through in the acting. I do love Sterek but I love lots of other ships in the show, just like I ship other fandom's (I'm a bit of a ship whore really).

Anyway, back to the show. I really want to hate Blake, but I can't, I feel sorry for her. Yes, my head has gone wrong somewhere. I should hate Deucalion, but it appears he was betrayed by Gerard, so I can't hate him and now I can't hate Blake either. I thin something has gone wrong in this girls head, maybe she was betrayed (monies on Peter for that one).

Why does everything always come back to Peter and Gerard being the master manipulators behind everything? I feel like all the other characters are just chess pieces and two people are playing them, all the time.

[elsecarlass.livejournal.com]

I saw it (the trailer), and yes I agree about the Stiles and Derek moment, it did look like he was not going to 'bite' (pun intended). If having another psychotic girlfriend, doesn't make Derek realise where is priorities lay, then nothing will. Scott and Stiles have repeatedly been there for him, saving his arse, while the women in his life have just wanted have just wanted to murder people. Putting Sterek aside, if I was Derek, I'd be seriously thinking about celibacy. Derek, your taste in women is atrocious.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Anyway, back to the show. I really want to hate Blake, but I can't, I feel sorry for her. Yes, my head has gone wrong somewhere. I should hate Deucalion, but it appears he was betrayed by Gerard, so I can't hate him and now I can't hate Blake either. I thin something has gone wrong in this girls head, maybe she was betrayed (monies on Peter for that one).

Why does everything always come back to Peter and Gerard being the master manipulators behind everything? I feel like all the other characters are just chess pieces and two people are playing them, all the time.

I'm right with you on the feeling sorry for Blake. Even though she has certainly gone down the path of evil too far to be redeemed, in my opinion. I want her to have a poignant end. Partly, of course, because I think she is also Paige.

And I do think it could turn out that Paige was also manipulated by Peter. She was...already...if he manipulated Derek. But it is possible that one thing he left out of his little story was how Paige felt. Maybe she agreed to be turned..and also changed her mind at the last minute. And then, Peter let Derek take all of the blame for the decision. Peter definitely WANTS Derek to take all of the blame.

And props to Jeff again...you feel like Peter and Gerard are masterminds, because that is how they are written. Visionary being a prime example of how they manipulate others...even though Stiles and Scott (or co-leads, in my view, as I said) are starting to be onto the lies. Remember those scenes with Peter and Gerard at the end of S2? Peter at the Sheriff's Dept, looking on...and Gerard looking at him. And then...how Peter is also there for the death of Matt. And how Peter helps set up the whole finale showdown in S2...and then hangs back...watching the fight play out, until he sees an opportunity with Jackson?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I agree about the celibacy, actually. Derek needs to consider his life choices...LOL

Lots of what I had already put in my Sterek ficlet...is underscored by that scene. I was telling my RL friend that I had been writing Stiles as a bit more badass, cocky than he'd been in the show...in my head...and then, he goes off on Ethan in the last episode...and now Derek. And so...I think I have him down the way Jeff is going to go with him. So, I'm happy about that.

I wonder if you would mind looking over the bits I have so far on this fic...as a beta. Mostly, I don't need a lot of technical help or help with character...there might be a typo or two. I do need to know where you might be confused by what is happening, or want more physical detail. The story is...oh...20 pages long? But I would probably just send you the first 10 pages...which is a Deaton/Stiles scene...and a Danny/Stiles scene. I tend to have less defining action and surroundings than I need in a rough draft and also, it is okay to tell me if some line works or doesn't work for you. Like if you LOL...or go..."Huh?"

If you don't have time, that's fine, too. Or if you would rather wait for the whole thing to post. I can post it sans beta, but it just is often better if someone asks me a few questions to spark my ideas off...and you appear to be a trusty observer of writing. My other betas will not do slash fic...so...they are out for this one. One of them even had a "OMG! YOU! SLASH! WHAT? I CAN'T EVEN..." reaction. LOL

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

For some reason, my last response to this comment...went on a comment above...which must be confusing.

But, it is interesting to know that Dylan and Tyler H. shared an apartment for a time. They have a nice close friendship feel to them at Comic Con and I like that. It probably gave Jeff some ideas for their characters, too. For me Derek and Stiles are like the cool guy and the nerd relationship, where there is a bickering affection. Maybe it rings true for me, because I had that same relationship with a cool kind in my high school. We worked together, circled around one another...and snapped in humorous ways. And after I'd graduated...I learned that he thought I actually hated him. While the truth is I was very fond of him indeed...and we became very close after high school, as he married my best friend.

This is the sort of relationship I thought they were going for in canon with Derek and Stiles...one where they eventually become close friends and maybe Stiles marries into the Hales somehow. Though I feel Cora is doomed, back when Stiles gave his virgin speech in the locker room, I was sure Cora would deflower him this season. Again, giving the Sterek people a bone to use in their "Denial" fics. But, alas, now I feel Stiles might remain a virgin for the foreseeable future.

And I'm using that in my fic...so...Oh, in case you agree to beta...you can email me at Rabid1st@yahoo.com with your contact details. Or, if you like I can use LJ PM...since the fic is so short. And I will probably send you text in Microsoft XP format...or RTF.

[elsecarlass.livejournal.com]

I'd lie to know what exactly has made Peter the way he is? why is he so twisted and mixed up. I am sure we will find out eventually, but he certainly is the master manipulator. As for Gerard, well we still do not know the full story there. Was it is brother that committed suicide at the motel? Could Alexander Argent have been bitten by Deucalion and that's why Gerard blinded him? for revenge. I've still so many questions, there is no way they can all be answered in two, or is it three episodes.

[elsecarlass.livejournal.com]

LOL, I don't mind at all, I read fanfic in my spare time anyway, so yes I would be happy to do it for you. I do not mind reading slash, in fact, I would go as far as to say, I love slash. What is the best method to send it to me?

[auntiesuze.livejournal.com]

I am super annoyed...my TiVo decided not to record this on Monday for some unknown reason. So I have to wait until the rerun before the new episode NEXT Monday. GRRRRR.

[elsecarlass.livejournal.com]

It will be interesting to see where Jeff takes the Stiles/Derek relationship. I don't believe that they hate each other. I think Stiles is distrustful of Derek, and Derek has little patience for Stiles, but it isn't hate. Hopefully things will change, but at this point Derek needs to prove his worth to both Stiles and Scott. This thing with Jennifer will have set back winning Stiles over for sure, as we have already witnessed via next weeks clip. It is about time we saw a different side to Derek, he needs to start getting his act together.

There does appear to be a little something between Cora and Stiles. But like you, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she isn't here for much longer. That would be another major blow for Derek though, just how many more can he take?

I'm going to send you my email address via a LJ PM, :)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

GRRR! Is right, because you can't even catch it on HULU, due to the delay. I'm sorry I spoiled you...assuming you read my post...because it was well worth the wait and the suspense.

On a show like Teen Wolf...so meticulously crafted...the suspense is everything...and spoiler people should be shot. LOL Of course, that is the opinion of a writer...other views may differ.

Rae

[auntiesuze.livejournal.com]

It's okay, I let myself be spoiled. I was going to wait to read it until I saw the episode, then just said "screw it" and skimmed it anyway!