I try to avoid David Tennant in his meaner versions. I'm sure he does a stellar job, but I don't want that face freaking me out. :grin:
As for the original plan for Rose to die, I know that was certainly the original rumour. But RTD said he never had any intention of doing that. So, I don't know. RTD said he let that out, that she would die, to increase the tension. Of course, who can say what might have happened if Eccleston stayed. I do think part of Rose's story is her mortality. I think that is the obvious limit to the love story. You don't need artificial limits when an essential immortal person falls in love with a mortal. So, all of the arguments people make against Rose are nonsensical. If Rose stays mortal...and we have a Time Machine...then there is no reason at all we can't have Rose/Doctor with a full life off screen. If you, for whatever odd reason, want to complicate it by having an alternative dimension...so much the better for it happening in the space of however long it takes to fix afternoon tea.
All of the arguments that people put forward...Billie had to leave, we can't have the Doctor just dandle babies on his knee in every show, we can't change the format of the show to a silly romance, the Doctor can't have sex, the Doctor can't fall in love, Rose can't be special because no other companion was, whatever...all show an incredible lack of imagination. And, yet, we get Moffatt creating a Doctor robot and a bubble universe with a little girl all alone, and have River go from baby to sex kitten 40-something in the space of one episode. And everyone is like...okay, that can happen.
I went looking for that quote from RTD...I think it is in the Doomsday commentary...but I can't find it written down anywhere. I shall have to watch the commentary again for it. However, I did find some lovely stuff. Which, I'm sure you have seen before, but...I'll still share.
In the end I sort of though we created a companion who was so alive and dynamic and so wedded to the doctor that you’d need a whole universe to contain her in. The only way to get rid of her is to send her into a parallel world from which she can never return; otherwise she would stay with the doctor forever.” ― Russell T. Davies
But here is one for every person that claims Moff hates Rose... “Obviously and quite overtly, really, the subtext of this show is that the Doctor is hopelessly in love with Rose.” – Steven Moffat
And this goes to what we were recently saying about Moff-- Steven Moffat declared at a convention in 2008 that, "It is impossible for a show about a dimension-hopping time traveller to have a canon."
Uhm, no it isn't Moff! You have just twisted the canon until it is pretty meaningless. And an audience will become very impatient with a story told by someone who doesn't know what the story is about--where it is going, where it comes from, what the rules of the world are.
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Date: 2013-05-03 12:49 am (UTC)As for the original plan for Rose to die, I know that was certainly the original rumour. But RTD said he never had any intention of doing that. So, I don't know. RTD said he let that out, that she would die, to increase the tension. Of course, who can say what might have happened if Eccleston stayed. I do think part of Rose's story is her mortality. I think that is the obvious limit to the love story. You don't need artificial limits when an essential immortal person falls in love with a mortal. So, all of the arguments people make against Rose are nonsensical. If Rose stays mortal...and we have a Time Machine...then there is no reason at all we can't have Rose/Doctor with a full life off screen. If you, for whatever odd reason, want to complicate it by having an alternative dimension...so much the better for it happening in the space of however long it takes to fix afternoon tea.
All of the arguments that people put forward...Billie had to leave, we can't have the Doctor just dandle babies on his knee in every show, we can't change the format of the show to a silly romance, the Doctor can't have sex, the Doctor can't fall in love, Rose can't be special because no other companion was, whatever...all show an incredible lack of imagination. And, yet, we get Moffatt creating a Doctor robot and a bubble universe with a little girl all alone, and have River go from baby to sex kitten 40-something in the space of one episode. And everyone is like...okay, that can happen.
I went looking for that quote from RTD...I think it is in the Doomsday commentary...but I can't find it written down anywhere. I shall have to watch the commentary again for it. However, I did find some lovely stuff. Which, I'm sure you have seen before, but...I'll still share.
In the end I sort of though we created a companion who was so alive and dynamic and so wedded to the doctor that you’d need a whole universe to contain her in. The only way to get rid of her is to send her into a parallel world from which she can never return; otherwise she would stay with the doctor forever.”
― Russell T. Davies
But here is one for every person that claims Moff hates Rose... “Obviously and quite overtly, really, the subtext of this show is that the Doctor is hopelessly in love with Rose.” – Steven Moffat
And this goes to what we were recently saying about Moff-- Steven Moffat declared at a convention in 2008 that, "It is impossible for a show about a dimension-hopping time traveller to have a canon."
Uhm, no it isn't Moff! You have just twisted the canon until it is pretty meaningless. And an audience will become very impatient with a story told by someone who doesn't know what the story is about--where it is going, where it comes from, what the rules of the world are.