PONY COUNTDOWN...DAY 3...David Tennant
Dec. 29th, 2009 08:24 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
rabid1stDavid Tennant is a Rose/Doctor shipper, or at least a Ten/Rose shipper, as I've mentioned more than once or twice. And we all know that he has said that he loves these last two episodes. More than that, he lists that Doomsday Beach scene as his favorite moment of his run. He also said, in another interview that he counts two other moments in this finale among his favorite moments.
One of those moments, we now know all about and it is one of our favorites, too.
But as it is a spoiler for EoT, Part 1, I will put it under a cut here for the people waiting for the DVD box set. The weepy scene in the cafe where the Doctor basically states that he doesn't want to die is the one David states is his favorite in EoT and also one of his favorite in the series. Yes, it is a moment of struggle for personal identity. But for our purposes...we cannot overlook the romantic overtones in the scene.
There is the discussion of Donna's upcoming marriage. And the Doctor is also "making due"...he is without the one he loves...and more than that...he believes that Rose is making due as well...and it hurts. He needs someone. Wilf automatically pushes for that someone to be Donna..and the Doctor does know that Donna would make him laugh again...but there would be a terrible price and all he would get is a brief respite. What he truly needs is that lifetime with Rose. Basically, that scene, that David counts as his favorite, is pointing out that Ten never got to live, never got what he really needed to feel that his life was well spent. And at this point...I will really be mad at RTD and surprised at David...if all Ten needs is to feel he's made a good sacrifice for others. Because THAT is beating a dead horse...not feeding a live and skipping pony..
The other moment David treasures is the final moment of his Doctor...how he leaves...which also made David cry. And if the pony is true...then certainly...David would cry over that reunion scene, over the unexpected delightful surprise.
But what prompted me to post today was the retrospective of "The Greatest Shows of the Noughties" which put Doctor Who at #3. David talks about what makes the show work for a new audience and he focuses on the relationships between the Doctor and his companions as the reason the New Who succeeded. He says, "The show always had these relationships between the Doctor and his companions, but it has been pushed to the fore more and made it ABOUT that relationship." There is the scene of Ten saying he is still him following the regeneration that wasn't. He hugs Rose and David says, "We've never seen the Doctor really have that kind of love story before."
Then, he sort of turns cagey and says, "At the end of the day it's still an action-adventure show. You don't want to clog it up too much with all that..." he becomes a nine year old boy as he wrinkles his nose, "...with all that kissing and stuff."
Shades of The Princess Bride again. LOL! The nine year old boy might not like all that kissing and stuff...but he can make an exception for "True Love!"
“Since the invention of the kiss, there have only been five [six?] kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure.” I believe the PROPER!Ten/Rose kiss will leave them all behind.
PONY!
Rae
One of those moments, we now know all about and it is one of our favorites, too.
But as it is a spoiler for EoT, Part 1, I will put it under a cut here for the people waiting for the DVD box set. The weepy scene in the cafe where the Doctor basically states that he doesn't want to die is the one David states is his favorite in EoT and also one of his favorite in the series. Yes, it is a moment of struggle for personal identity. But for our purposes...we cannot overlook the romantic overtones in the scene.
There is the discussion of Donna's upcoming marriage. And the Doctor is also "making due"...he is without the one he loves...and more than that...he believes that Rose is making due as well...and it hurts. He needs someone. Wilf automatically pushes for that someone to be Donna..and the Doctor does know that Donna would make him laugh again...but there would be a terrible price and all he would get is a brief respite. What he truly needs is that lifetime with Rose. Basically, that scene, that David counts as his favorite, is pointing out that Ten never got to live, never got what he really needed to feel that his life was well spent. And at this point...I will really be mad at RTD and surprised at David...if all Ten needs is to feel he's made a good sacrifice for others. Because THAT is beating a dead horse...not feeding a live and skipping pony..
The other moment David treasures is the final moment of his Doctor...how he leaves...which also made David cry. And if the pony is true...then certainly...David would cry over that reunion scene, over the unexpected delightful surprise.
But what prompted me to post today was the retrospective of "The Greatest Shows of the Noughties" which put Doctor Who at #3. David talks about what makes the show work for a new audience and he focuses on the relationships between the Doctor and his companions as the reason the New Who succeeded. He says, "The show always had these relationships between the Doctor and his companions, but it has been pushed to the fore more and made it ABOUT that relationship." There is the scene of Ten saying he is still him following the regeneration that wasn't. He hugs Rose and David says, "We've never seen the Doctor really have that kind of love story before."
Then, he sort of turns cagey and says, "At the end of the day it's still an action-adventure show. You don't want to clog it up too much with all that..." he becomes a nine year old boy as he wrinkles his nose, "...with all that kissing and stuff."
Shades of The Princess Bride again. LOL! The nine year old boy might not like all that kissing and stuff...but he can make an exception for "True Love!"
“Since the invention of the kiss, there have only been five [six?] kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure.” I believe the PROPER!Ten/Rose kiss will leave them all behind.
PONY!
Rae
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Date: 2009-12-29 02:56 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-29 04:25 pm (UTC)But seriously, I do hope you're right. With David being so cagey about various things, I have a good feeling about the finale. I really good feeling.
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Date: 2009-12-29 07:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-29 08:26 pm (UTC)Oh, the reunion kiss will blow us away!
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Date: 2009-12-29 10:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-29 11:32 pm (UTC)I could imagine Rusty pulling this shit with us but not David, somehow.
The two of them did an hour-long chat on BBC Radio today. I'm wondering whether to listen before Friday, or whether it'll just wind me up even more as I try to interpret the hints.
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Date: 2009-12-30 12:49 am (UTC)But back to Ten/Rose, I'm torn between needy anticipation and shivering in my boots. :-p
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Date: 2009-12-30 12:55 am (UTC)If the Doctor is ready to die...and Donna tells him again about Turn Left...that the human race still needs him...someone who thinks like him, someone who remembers it all...but NOT him...well...maybe the Doctor will put it all together.
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Date: 2009-12-30 01:08 am (UTC)I'm hoping that the idea of, "There's no such thing as a throwaway phrase with RTD" holds true, and some of that gets touched on at some point.
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Date: 2009-12-30 01:21 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-30 01:36 am (UTC)This is why I am thinking woman in white has told Wilf not to tell the Doctor anything...because the WAY she pops in and out...could be meaningful. She could be using something specific that he would recognize...AND...Donna would recognize it, too. And Donna can't burn up too soon, or she won't be there when the Doctor and Ten 2 need her.
Rae
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Date: 2009-12-30 01:38 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-30 01:54 am (UTC)But.
I'm also a 'victim' of this same 'advertising' with what happened in Torchwood: Children of Earth. Hints were dropped, words were said in interviews, lead actors/directors/writers all hinted and said one thing....then CoE aired and it wasn't anything like they had lead us to believe.
Don't get me wrong, parts of CoE were utterly brilliant, but we were lead in one direction ("This is a love story, ultimately, and I think the fans will really enjoy it" -paraphrased from the director, Euros Lyn.) then shown another. I'm not trying to start an argument here, just wanting to air some caution to people. RTD is a notorious liar with the best intentions. He loves his work. I love his work, but I got caught up in analyzing and looking at the supposed small hints towards events.
So, please be careful. I hate to see people get hurt over broken promises.
Now, with that devil's advocate moment over: Rose and Ten! :D I realllyyy want a pony. Please?
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Date: 2009-12-30 02:08 am (UTC)And, there is absolutely a parallel here...the Doctor is afraid to die...therefore...he should die...and teach us all a lesson.
And beyond that...RTD can simply hide behind the big "Of course...it has to be this way...we all would love to save David...but the Doctor can't really have a romance...and we just can't rewrite the show in any way...so...OF COURSE...it all ends in tears. But don't worry...you are going to learn to love Matt Smith and you can write Rose/Ten 2 stories."
However, all of that said, the point I made after JE aired...is that Doctor Who isn't Torchwood...it's a children's show. Doctor Who should be about last minute saves and special circumstances...flying immortals and true love remaining true.
The question we all have at this moment...is will RTD live up to the awesome responsiblity of what he's created in bringing the show back...or will he simply give us the same old, same old that everyone is expecting him to give us.
Everyone REALLY needs this pony! As you say...let's let one writer...finally...get something right for his fans.
Rae
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Date: 2009-12-30 02:21 am (UTC)Yes, I NEED this pony. Badly. You're doing an awesome job keeping the hope up! I can't wait to see how much of your theories pan out.
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Date: 2009-12-30 03:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-30 03:11 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-30 03:38 am (UTC)Ten is exhausted, tired of living like he lives. Also,, if he goes...then he isn't being a hypocrite about the Time Lords dying. It should be that ALL of the Time Lords go...at the same time. Only, Ten will get to delay his inevitable death just a little bit...so he can die in Rose's arms after living that life with her that he's always wanted.
The Master is dying from whatever Lucy did to him. The Time Lord race and their world will die when the Doctor wins his fight to preserve the Time Lock on the past. And Ten...the Last of the Time Lords...can give his remaining resurrections to Ten 2...funneling them through Donna somehow...or adding them to the energy within her...so that Ten 2 becomes able to regenerate...but something new...part Time Lord/part Human...all Doctor.
Rae
who believes the case to be made is that the Universe needs someone who thinks like the Doctor, someone who has his long memory and his knowledge...but someone fresh and new with a bit of human spark...the Doctor/Donna...is Eleven.
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Date: 2009-12-30 03:43 am (UTC)In all seriousness. I begining to wonder about this Donna angle as well. Don't give me that "he loves them all" nonsense. He misses Donna, but it's clear that he misses Rose even more. I don't think the Doctor and Donna are really a match. She was fully willing to hand him to Rose. Perhaps she's his key to getting back to Rose. Perhaps she's using Wilf to call out to him, not only to defeat the Master, but to get back to Rose. Tell me if I'm way off.
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Date: 2009-12-30 03:51 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-12-30 04:30 am (UTC)We have seen the Master drain the life from 4 humans to live again. We have seen Ten drained of his Time Lord essence to become human in Human Nature. We have seen Donna give part of her life force in combination with Ten's regenerative energy and his spare hand...to create a Human Time Lord hybrid. And now...we have seen a Time Lord use that alien machine to make every human into a clone of himself.
I think...given these clues...we are not that far from Ten and Donna joining life forces or regenerative forces or whatever...to make Ten 2 into a true new breed of Time Lord. If you remember in Last of the Time Lords...Ten aged...and the Master died when shot...so both aging and dying are possible for a Time Lord. It's just not their normal way.
I do think that the Doctor can be free of his burden of living and suffering and go to Rose...if he makes a copy of himself to go on fighting. That copy should be some combination of Ten 2 and Donna...but really what I think...is that Ten will find a way to take the "burning" inside Donna...out and give it to Ten 2...along with HIS remaining regeneratoins. So Ten can go to Rose...and die like the rest of his race. Ten 2...the Doctor 2.0...is who we should go forward with as Eleven.
Of course, there will be purists who argue that the new Doctor isn't really the Doctor...but they will be hard pressed to explain WHY...when the Master is the Master...and Ten 2 was good enough for Rose in many people's minds. And...in fact...all we would be doing is correcting that horrid hijacking for the regeneration that happened in JE...we would be saying that the PROPER Doctor...was just trapped inside that half-human body.
It works on so many levels...if only RTD has seen it and has had the courage to make it so.
Rae