DW SPOILER ALERT...FUTURE EPISODE SPOILER..4x6

[rabid1st]

Okay...as I've said...I know one or two things and I try not to think about them. And I really...honestly...don't want to know anything more.

This thing was spoiled for me with a casting note and an episode title. That's all I'm discussing below...but it is for an episode that hasn't aired yet. It is episode number 6...the one that airs next week in the UK and was in some of the DW print media this week.

So...under the cut we go for the spoiler sensitive.



I know what the name of the episode is...and I know who they've cast and I know which role she originally auditioned for (all thanks to really annoying preseason news reports...THANK YOU VERY MUCH!)...and I do believe we could have any sort of scenario under the sun. And I also feel she may even make the claim to be a certain lost and lamented someone's daughter. Because I think she will believe what the episode title hints at...through no fault of her own I think. But she is not what she appears to be. I will now go out on a limb and say...she's crazy Lucy Saxon's daughter. End of my, no doubt wrong, prediction.

Comments

[timeispassing.livejournal.com]

Oooh I like that theory. A lot.

I'm anxious about this episode, but this season is really exeeding my expectations so far, so I don't think I'll be disappointed.

[timeispassing.livejournal.com]

It might even be *exceeding my expectations....

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Six of one, half a dozen of another. I am enjoying this season so far. It is so much better than last season. Though I do note a bit of ennui about this coming Saturday's episode...which I find weird because I really liked the last episode. I am blaming it on knowing Martha will be in it. I really can't warm to her even though she is totally okay with me now...as far as how she's written.

Or maybe it's just that the Kentucky Derby has stolen my adrenaline for the weekend.

Rae
ready for Rose to come back.

[milieva]

I thinkt hat is the best theory I have read and it is definitely a new one on my, but far better than the child of Rose. I really cannot see that.

It is sort of annoying when press and episode titled give details way, but with luck we will all be pleasently surprised

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

You know...I think the episode will be good for Rose/Doctor shippers...because it should establish precident on things.

How he reacts to this news will be as important as the news itself. I fully expect denial on his part and quesitons on the part of companions about just how far he's able to go and what the rules are about this sort of thing.

Rae
thinking we can hope for the firming off of the idea that it IS possible but highly improbable.

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I hope I am right. It would be very good news for a Doctor/Rose shipper, too, because it would establish that human/Time Lord crossbreeding is possible. I do hope she claims her long lost mother's name is Rose, though. After all...if crazy Lucy Saxon concocted a fantasy about the Doctor...she would no doubt imagine herself to be Rose...since the Master knew about Rose and probably used her to torment the Doctor.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Well...I would doubt she was Rose's daughter. I suppose she could still be the Doctor's daughter and somehow have survived the Time War, especially if she wasn't full Gallifreyan. I just feel she'd either want him to leave or she'd have to die if she was his biological daughter, just to stop him from moving in and taking care of her forever. And there would be some explaining to do about her mother...and their relationship.

Rae

[auntiesuze.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure this isn't progeny via the usual method. Cloning? DNA mingling? It's sci-fi...there's a bajillion ways for it to be true, but not the result of a past liason. I'm really eager to see what the truth is.

And I'm laying odds that she's deader than a doornail by the end of the episode. Another chance for DT to emote his little eyeballs out.

Lucy, huh? What *did* happen to her after The Year That Wasn't? I don't think that she's involved, but it's certainly a neat idea!

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

See? Deader than a doornail is sort of boring to me.

Which is why I thought of Lucy...I could see her hitching a ride off planet with one of the Master's alien buddies and ending up at the other end of the universe. Daughter is raised with rambling story of mom's escape from devastated world and tales of her father and his blue police box.

I don't think Rose will come up except incidentally to it all. Cloning and such is certainly possible. As you say there are a bajillion ways and all this does is open up the idea of IF he can have children naturally or not. I would say we come down on the side of "Yes, he can...but he hasn't."

Rae

[roxyk630.livejournal.com]

OMG.

Seriously. I thought the same thing but didn't voice it because I feared people would find me ABSOLUTELY insane.

... I like you. We think very similarly

[auntiesuze.livejournal.com]

Hum. Y'know...Lucy is just crazy enough to do something like that!

I think it would be cool if she was some combo of Rose and the Doctor, but just don't see it happening. What would have been the point of creating this child? The Doctor...yeah, Time Lord n' all, that makes for tempting material, but Rose? Honestly, I can't even guess at what the writers will come up with!

It would be nice if we could put the whole Looming/Pythia's curse thing to rest one way or the other. It doesn't seem reasonable for an entire race to become sterile - much more likely that the Time Lords just went for a less messy, more technologically advanced way of reproducing. We do know that Gallifreyans as a whole weren't sterile (the Outsiders...or whatever Andred's people were called, reproduced naturally if I'm remembering correctly), so reproduction via Looms (or whatever) seems more likely to have been a conscious choice. But I guess we'll see. Maybe. ;)

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

You know...one thing...just because he doesn't recall being her father...doesn't mean he's not her father. Because it could be she's the daughter of a future self...or he had amnesia from the war...or from his time as Eight (if we take some book canon into play).

You are not insane. We could be wrong...in any number of ways...but I don't think we are insane.

Rae

[roxyk630.livejournal.com]

Oddly I don't mind being wrong.

But seriously, the Master DID have that bedhead moment in S3.

I think its completely possible. I think its completely possible that she isn't who she says she is...

I also thought Lucy was The Rani or Romana in human form. So... XD;;; BUT who knows?

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Did the outsiders reproduce naturally? One thing we know via them and Leela and Susan and David and Lucy and the Master is that it isn't unusual for Gallifreyans to marry humans. And we can sort of assume that they had some kind of sex life. Certainly, I would think Leela would want an explanation before diving into the pledge of her life to another.

I can certainly see a race with such extreme longevity putting a limit on birthrate some how...I would think...given the emphasis on clans and tradition that arranged unions were more the norm when it came to having offspring. And given the bloodless nature of most Time Lords, I can see them going asexual by choice. They were an indolent lot as has been said.

I don't think Rose because I think they will stick to no sex in the TARDIS. When it comes to entertaining the possiblity...there are all sorts of scenarios that work...she might be the child of a future Doctor rather than one of his former selves. The result of something he hasn't done...yet. And there's a chance she's the product of one of his marriages and he thought she'd been killed. I think, however, it is a good bet she will be half-Gallifreyan and half-human...because I believe all points to my theory of a Rose/Doctor happy-for-her-lifetime ending. And having almost had a daughter...will set that up nicely.

Rae

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

I don't mind being wrong about this either. Because of where it is happening, I don't think it will do anything but engender more longing in the Doctor for a family of his own again...and this is only to the good for Rose/Doctor happy-for-her-lifetime fans.

Rae

[onlyoot.livejournal.com]

Im also spoiled for the Ep title. Im leaning towards a daughter by cloning or some other jiggery pokery and I can guess if it is cloning or something, where the material came from. I think that Lucy will be back but not till a bit later in the series

Cloning or the like does make sense

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Hmmm! Your statement about guessing where the cloning material came from is intriguing. I suppose I can think of a number of places when the Doctor could have given a DNA sample but nothing is leaping out at me with obvious intent. I feel the mingling of his DNA or Time Lord DNA with another species is the bit that is important to the arc. So, where do you think the raw material came from?

One thing I wish is that she lives...because he could use a little hope. And this season does appear to be rebuilding hope a bit.

Rae

Well...of course...

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...there's hand in a jar. I suppose it was there in a lab and then out of his sight for a year. And we could circle back to the Master and his alien friends because the Master certainly knew about the hand when he was Professor YANA and we know he knew about Rose from that time. So, then it would depend on how it works with the year that never was. I suppose also that Torchwood could have gotten to the hand while it was in Jack's possession because it just sat there on his desk.

Rae

On the other hand :snort...giggle:

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...if we assume hand in a jar than Rose DNA is back in play because if I was the Master and intending to torment the Doctor with hybrids, I would pay attention to the entire story and there is evidence that he did, too, what with the reference to her using the Time Vortex.

Also, I'm thinking mayfly clone if that's the answer...she's unstable and dies quickly due to wonky regenerate DNA.

Rae

[princessblue791.livejournal.com]

I don't think its going to be that straight forward. You know how in the Sarah Jane Adventures, Luke turns out to have a little bit of everyone's DNA (including Sarah Jane's)? I think its going to be something along those lines. I don't think she'll make it though. If she does, she be like Donna and Jack, leave for this season only to return for the next. Thats just my theory. Personally I don't think she's going to make it.

Re: Well...of course...spoilers for 4x05

[nisrin]

Welllllll... (spoilers for today's ep 4x05)

There was, in fact, a lingering shot of the hand in the jar at the end of the ep as the TARDIS is hurtling towards this daughter figure in 4x06. You might be onto something there.

Sorry....tangent.....sorta?

[carcharodon87.livejournal.com]

Hello.
Umm....you probably don't know me from Adam (or in my case, Eve), but I had an idea about the thing on Donna's back, and I wanted to know what your input on it was. I didn't really know where to put this, though, so I figured the most recent post. Sorry if this is annoying. But here's my idea: the thing on Donna's back is a person, and that person is Rose. My reasoning for this is that Donna has been the only one to see her, so maybe Rose is using her as sort of a communication point? So yeah, just wanted to see people's thoughts. Also, as to the key word being Noble....isn't valiant a synonym for noble? As in the valiant child?

And you are welcome always...to tangent

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the praise of my work...if only I was producing more of it. Still...I am captivated by RTD's storyline this year. As I said, elsewhere...it could well be that Donna does have Rose on her back. And Noble and Valient are very close indeed. I am hoping that Donna is the one that sends him off to Rose.

Rae

It seems to me to be a logical use for hand

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...but there could be any number of places that the Doctor could have given a DNA sample. He could have done it in the past...in Old School...or in New School when, for example, he is held and tortured in Dalek. They know he's alien...surely they took blood samples.

He doesn't seem too surprised by the idea of her in the preview...nor she by him. Still, hand in a jar...that is still around...but was missing for a year that never was...seems most likely to me.

Rae

Re: It seems to me to be a logical use for hand

[nisrin]

I just don't see that this "daughter" could be straightforward offspring or product of love. It doesn't make sense throwing something that huge in mid-season. Nor do I think they would toss it into an episode preview if it was a significant reveal. Even if she blond and has gymnastic abilities. =|

Your theories seem more likely.

Yeah...I think she probably...

[rabid1st.livejournal.com]

...came from him by the direct route...via his cells. And it is possible that we are looking at a mayfly lifespan if she was made from "hand in a jar"...because it is probably molecularly unstable from the regeneration. I mean...if it was so simple to get Time Lords back by cloning...I'm sure the Doctor would have already experimented with the idea. Though...he must be keeping the hand in a jar for a reason. So, maybe he IS considering it.

I am a bit worried by the yelling that Rose was doing in this episode...this is what I feel...that she HAS to get him for some reason...either his own danger or, more likely, some universal danger she is dealing with from her dimension.

Rae

Re: And you are welcome always...to tangent

[carcharodon87.livejournal.com]

:D