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To avoid spoiling anyone else...under the cut we go...

But before we do...let's just savor the headline I saw, "Moffat explains Billie Piper's role in Day of the Doctor!"

You should never have to explain what you just did. Real writers don't need to have spin doctors working the newspapers to explain their plot holes.

This is what I have to say about that. I liked it. A lot. It was fluffy fun for the whole family. And the story made more sense than most of Moff's finales. Loved John Hurt. Sort of enjoyed the Zygons. They looked as craptastic as ever. I wonder how they will read on a real movie screen. It was wonderful to see Ten again...really made my day to see Ten again. And Billie got to kick back with a legendary actor. She was adorable as always.

She wasn't Rose. You may recall I mentioned she might not be Rose. Which I was fine with, actually. You may also recall I said I didn't want Moff writing Rose. And he may not have even written the Bad Wolf. She was, after all, playing a sentient machine. But the machine, sorting through the Doctor's mind...found the one thing he believed in...which is HER. So...that was a nice nod.

The whole thing was full of nice nods. Right down to the old curator and his scarf. I liked it, actually. I enjoyed the story and liked the sentiment.

But here's the thing that separates Moff from...say...someone who is truly clever. Moff is just playing with deeper issues. He mucks things up all through time and space and then...he doesn't do anything bold at all. Gallifrey was saved but is still lost. And, to keep time and space consistent...he hand waves the memory issues. Oh, everyone lost there memory there...but that's not why?

I said he could create a bubble universe. And he sort of did that...but he wasn't clever enough or bold enough to realize that he could take that rewrite all the way...and really change the direction of the show. Probably because he would have no idea how to write original stuff. So, even though he'd already changed time and he had Billie on the set, he doesn't do the most interesting thing he might have done for his show.

All he had to do was have the Doctors all fuzzy headed. And having tea...and wondering what happened to their timeline. Was Gallifrey destroyed or was it still out there, somewhere?

Clara is being clever. Never mind we left her on Trenzalore and she ended up teaching school and nobody knows her, even though she met them all. Trenzalore is the one thing Moff seems to think he would change, because it was all just a lark...lalala. There are lots more regenerations to come, never you mind how, because Eleven is Twelve and Twelve will be Thirteen...and there are those ladies who met Eight (who is still Eight, thank God) and they can just make more Doctors whenever they want. Though, they might have died in the Time War. I'm sure some planets were lost, before Gallifrey was saved.

But...anyway, back to the clever bit we didn't see...

Imagine this...the three Doctors are all confused, chatting over tea. And Rose pops out of Ten's Tardis, asking if they are ready to break up this party. Clara greets her fondly. The New Nine says, "Don't I know you from somewhere, young lady?" And Ten says, "Yes, she's with me." And Eleven says, "I'll say, you know her," prodding New Nine in the ribs.

Ten and Rose leave. New Nine leaves...and regenerates into New Ten, who will be off to meet Rose but not to ruin her life. Eleven (only now he's Twelve) finishes out the story as it goes. And voila...there's a universe that has Gallifrey in it. And one that has Ten2/Rose and one that has sad Eleven dying on Trenzalore after loving River. And all of Moff's meddling...makes some sense. Instead of being mostly pointless...oh, well! Someone more intelligent will helm Doctor Who one day. In the meantime, this was certainly fluffy and commercial. I want one of those futuristic Moment!Rose dolls.

Rae

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Date: 2013-11-25 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sensiblecat.livejournal.com
My new personal canon is that as soon as Ten walked back into his TARDIS he banged his head fatally and died on the control room floor having a vivid dream that the Timelords came back in all their glory and he hung out with the Master and Wilf and eventually died after saving old Wilf and his last words were "I don't want to go"...you get the idea. Because there is no way I can see for DOTD and End of Time to exist in the same universe. Post DOTD, you have to look at EOT as the dark mirror, the path not taken, rather like the bit in It's A Wonderful Life where James Stewart gets to see what the town would have been like if he hadn't lived.

I also like to think he woke up in Bad Wolf Bay in Rose's arms. There's an interesting issue that I haven't seen anybody bring up yet - that if we buy the basic premise of Doomsday, that the Doctor can't go poking around other universes any more, no matter how much he wants to, he can't go looking for Gallifrey. Either that or Rule No1.

I loved DOTD. I think it did terrific honour to Rose and was Moff's answer to the gratuitous darkness of RTD's later episodes. Maybe there were things that could have been done better, but he got the important ones right. We can always write it our own way.

As for Trenzalore, yes, that bothered me, but I think it may turn out come Christmas that Eleven and Clara have been there all along, lost in the time stream doing the repair work we saw in DOTD. And that Eleven still has to die and be reborn.

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Date: 2013-11-25 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Exactly this...Because there is no way I can see for DOTD and End of Time to exist in the same universe. Post DOTD, you have to look at EOT as the dark mirror, the path not taken, rather like the bit in It's A Wonderful Life where James Stewart gets to see what the town would have been like if he hadn't lived.

Hence, the bubble universe has been created. The Doctors just are not aware of it.

And so...I'm all for Journey's End not happening either. I've written fic to make it so. Sentimental Journey...enjoy.

Rae
who also liked Day of the Doctor...it just lacked that final push of making it work. Moff often avoids taking those final steps to polish his writing. He desperately needs a good beta.

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Date: 2013-11-25 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soophelia.livejournal.com
I really didn't like what Moff did to Elizabeth I. The real Elizabeth wouldn't act like that. She acted a bit like River (with the "you promised you'd marry me" bit because apparently in Moff's world, men only marry women because they have to, not because they want to). Also I didn't get the "we're so in love with each other" vibes that I'm sure other viewers were feeling between the pair. The feeling of love seemed to be one-sided so at least Moffat is consistent with how he writes women (i.e. very badly and one-dimensionally).

Yes I know this is a fictional show and not a documentary, but still it bothered me. I really wanted Elizabeth I to actually act more like Queen Victoria was in "Tooth and Claw"—questioning who the Doctor was and why he suddenly was in her kingdom. And does anyone else even remember at the end of "The Shakespeare Code," that Elizabeth I was angry and ordered her guards to seize the Doctor? Then Martha and the Doctor make a quick run to the Tardis (barely missing the flying arrows).

Here's the transcript:
Fanfare as Elizabeth I enters.

THE DOCTOR
(excited)
Queen Elizabeth I!

ELIZABETH
Doctor!

THE DOCTOR
What?

ELIZABETH
My sworn enemy!

THE DOCTOR
What?

ELIZABETH
Off with his head!

THE DOCTOR
What?

MARTHA
Never mind "what", just run! See you, Will! And thanks!

Martha and the Doctor run off.

ELIZABETH
Stop that pernicious Doctor!

Shakespeare laughs.

EXT. STREET

Martha and the Doctor run through the streets to the TARDIS.

SOLDIER
Stop in the name of the Queen!

MARTHA
What have you done to upset her?!

THE DOCTOR
How should I know? Haven’t even met her yet. That’s time travel for you! Still, can’t wait to find out.
(unlocks the TARDIS and Martha runs in)
That’s something to look forward to. Oh!




All Moff did was take a throw-away joke that appeared in "The End of Time" and expanded on it :/


People are speculating that Moffat might kill off "Cloen" (aka Ten Two aka Human!Doctor) as well. If he does that, I will not be pleased.

And I think River will definitely be back again because if Gallifrey's fate can be changed, so can River's. (He has said that time can be re-written). Alex Kingston said that Moffat told her all of River's story and (she considers) Twelve to be River's Doctor. (Moffat said after The Day of the Doctor aired that the numbering of the Doctors won't change).

Another reason I think that River will be back is that a blog (which was turned out to be mostly accurate) said that River will be back as a full time companion.

Also Alex Kingston showed up at the Doctor Who After-Party and revealed something about the Doctor that had Doctor/River shippers excited. I'm not sure what that was because I haven't watched it (yet).

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Date: 2013-11-25 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soophelia.livejournal.com
I rolled my eyes when the Doctor mentioned Trenzalore. Eleven didn't even react when Warrior!Doctor mentioned the name Bad Wolf. I'm assuming this is Moffat's way of showing us that Rose means nothing to him—he's over her because River is his one true love—Moffat has said that the only relationship the Doctor could ever have would be with a Time Lady—but you would at least think Eleven would be surprised or show some sign of shock at the mention of the name.

*Forever bitter that Rose is considered by Moffat to be "a clingy girlfriend" while River is actually a stage five clinger.
*Also forever bitter that people never give Rose credit for destroying the Daleks in "Parting of the Ways"/being "Bad Wolf" and instead say it was the Tardis. Does anyone else even remember that the Doctor said that was Rose (in regards to destroying the Daleks/making Jack immortal).

And perhaps I'm the only one that thinks this but when Rose took in the Time Vortex (and yes I know Nine took it from her to save her) perhaps it in some ways changed her (or perhaps in that moment she was able to be in more than onc place at a time (remember she did leave those messages in season 1 of "Bad Wolf").

Oh well at least we have new material to add to the Doctor/Rose story.

And I forgot to add that I didn't like Clara's remark to Eleven (i.e. that they have enough warriors and anyone can be a hero) because it really sounded dismissive of Warrior!Doctor (which I think would have actually been Nine if Chris had said yes) and of course Ten.

Sorry about the long rants. I just have a lot of feelings about all of this (and no one to talk to in real life about it).

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